Lance goes on Dan Patrick show - says he still thinks of himself as Tour de France winner

It would be pretty interesting to read a revised edition of INATB with all the doping procedures added in as if they were totally normal events.

"I finished my last chemo session on Tuesday and the next week got the go ahead to proceed with the re-introduction of EPO, HGH and Testosterone supplementation. One week later I was feeling awesome."

Yes interesting if possible please elaborate...I have read numerous stories about sick patients gaining function with EPO, hgh and how injured athletes have cut healing time drastically. I do wonder though what are the long term consequences to ones health? Seems like something would give way with all of the synthetic substances. My Grandpa a WWII Vet was on everything from Finasteride to Nitrous a complete cocktail of meds listed on a sheet of paper his endocrine system and thyroid are basically gone

What episode of DAn Patrick was Lance on?

beau is fat wrote:

Good interview, pretty candid.

Summary of Lance's viewpoint: I doped, so did everyone else. I was just better. My mistake? Acting the way I did and treating people poorly.

Lance also stated that he still believes he is a 7 time tour de france winner which I think is great for him to say because whether people like it or not the reality is that everyone doped.

except not everyone doped

reader of the forums wrote:

except not everyone doped

Prove it!

This is closer to the truth, but not close enough. There were a lot of folks who got popped for doping that weren't able to compete with Armstrong because they were suspended.

Hell, Lance dropped a dime on Tyler Hamilton.

I can forgive Armstrong a lot, but Marco Pantani died in obscure shame while Lance was crowing on TV. I don't forgive that.

Pantani died from coke overdose and was a known doper.

reader of the forums wrote:

beau is fat wrote:

Good interview, pretty candid.

Summary of Lance's viewpoint: I doped, so did everyone else. I was just better. My mistake? Acting the way I did and treating people poorly.

Lance also stated that he still believes he is a 7 time tour de france winner which I think is great for him to say because whether people like it or not the reality is that everyone doped.

except not everyone doped

Hmmm. Seems like the nominee for best not-doped rider of the Lance era is Carlos Sastre - see

. And the nominee for last not-doped winner of the TdF prior to Sastre in 2008 is Greg Lemond. [for recent revelations about Indurain, see

].

IF Sastre was actually clean - and I find that a bit hard to believe for a whole bunch of reasons, starting with his close relationship with Bjarne Riis, but hey, it could be true - then he was probably the biggest victim of the industrial-strength doping going on during his best years. On the other hand, if he was just more discrete about his doping than some guys and a nicer person than Lance, then he was very lucky to win a soft TdF in 2008.

Lemond was doped without him realizing it. There was very likely a bit more than iron and B12 in those shots.

I don't blame him for believing he was clean but surely he must wonder about his miraculous recovery after a few shots.

Captain Oblivious wrote:

Lemond was doped without him realizing it. There was very likely a bit more than iron and B12 in those shots.

I don't blame him for believing he was clean but surely he must wonder about his miraculous recovery after a few shots.

Interesting. This link -

- gives the best info I could find quickly on the Lemond story. That thread mentions blood doping allegations in the TdF going back to the 1970s.

Bottom line: seems like there's probably at least a plausible accusation of artificial RBC boosting to be made against any great cycling champion of the last 40 years [or more.]

LA is the worst. He cheated lied and tried to ruin everyones reputation who told the truth. LA was never the rider that Lemond was. Lemond is the best American rider ever. Watch Slaying the Badger ESPN 30 for 30.

LA won them so just use the asterisk. Also add the little star to all the other winners during the doping era.

Then go after the big fish who allowed doping.

I listened to the interview and thought it was good. I like that Lance seems pretty open about not regretting the doping but rather the way he acted towards people. He honestly still comes out of this a winner. He still has his millions and will never have to work another day in his life. I hate when guys get caught and pretend like they are so sorry for cheating. People dope because they know the rewards and even if they get caught they are often better off than if they had never doped.

Has anyone ever asked Lance about his thoughts on whether or not he believes his doping caused his cancer? I'm no doctor but taking testosterone and HGH all the time seems like it could greatly increase the risk for testicular cancer.

Look at the last TdF that Armstrong won. 2005. In the top 10, only Cadel Evans at #8 was never busted (eventually) for doping. Everyone else either busted, confessed, or implicated in Operation Puerto.

Lance is right, and is in a much better position to know the circumstances of the professional ranks. No doubt he won fair and square at a dirty game.

Lets not fool ourselves though, the same issue is going on in T&F, we just don't have 3 week races where the athletes have to risk microdosing / boosting to maintain performance the whole time.

oh please wrote:

Look at the last TdF that Armstrong won. 2005. In the top 10, only Cadel Evans at #8 was never busted (eventually) for doping. Everyone else either busted, confessed, or implicated in Operation Puerto.

Lance is right, and is in a much better position to know the circumstances of the professional ranks. No doubt he won fair and square at a dirty game.

Lets not fool ourselves though, the same issue is going on in T&F, we just don't have 3 week races where the athletes have to risk microdosing / boosting to maintain performance the whole time.

Lance did not win fair and square. Everyone is physiologically different. One rider could have a natural heamocrite of 42 and the other could have a natural haemocrite of 45. If they both perform at the same level when not doping, if they both take EPO and get their haemocrite up to 50, the rider with the natural 42% reading will destroy the rider with the natural 45% reading.

On the healing side of these drugs. I was taking HGH, Deca and EPO in the past and some of the effects are incredible especially HGH. About a month after starting to take it, The complexion of my skin was incredible and I didn't need contacts or glasses anymore for small print reading.

And by the way, EPO is already used to treat cancer patients after chemo to help create red blood cell growth after radiation therapy.

anyone listen to interview on Patrick show?

LA is probably a pp. Threatening people around him.

Threatening newspaper with lawsuits etc. Much worse than

Landis, Hamilton, and other doppers.

Treads for wrote:

Everyone is physiologically different. One rider could have a natural heamocrite of 42 and the other could have a natural haemocrite of 45. If they both perform at the same level when not doping, if they both take EPO and get their haemocrite up to 50, the rider with the natural 42% reading will destroy the rider with the natural 45% reading.

And by the way, EPO is already used to treat cancer patients after chemo to help create red blood cell growth after radiation therapy.

Prove your first statement.

And thanks tips, for your second one.

Captain Oblivious wrote:

Treads for wrote:

Everyone is physiologically different. One rider could have a natural heamocrite of 42 and the other could have a natural haemocrite of 45. If they both perform at the same level when not doping, if they both take EPO and get their haemocrite up to 50, the rider with the natural 42% reading will destroy the rider with the natural 45% reading.

And by the way, EPO is already used to treat cancer patients after chemo to help create red blood cell growth after radiation therapy.

Prove your first statement.

And thanks tips, for your second one.

He shouldn't have to prove the first statement - it is common knowledge.

Armstrong is just on a PR campaign to try to minimize financial losses in his upcoming trials. Anyway, the guy's a sociopath and a narcissist. Of course he still thinks he won fair and square.

To those who argue "everyone else was dirty too", that is just ridiculous. Maybe the entire top 10 or top 20 was dirty, but so what? I don't care if it turns out every single rider in those TdFs was doping - there were still athletes out there trying to ride their bikes competitively without cheating. Who knows how many potential Grand Tour champions had their dreams snuffed out before they even advanced out of their local scene by the necessity to dope to get a contract? EPO was so powerful, a clean rider stood no chance.

Armstrong is a bucket of piss. I'm sick of him going around whining about how he is, after all, actually still the greatest ever. If he deserves to still be considered champion, what about Floyd Landis? Alberto Contador? Ben Johnson? Marion Jones? Should everyone who ever got busted be reinstated because somebody decided "everyone was doing it"?