kim collins personal best 9,96 at age 38

This is all getting a little silly. I hate to be the flag bearer of the doping movement, but seriously, what's going on?

There's something new going around out there, and it's working magic in quite a few careers.

For discussion's sake, let's call the new supplement FOY - 'Fountain of Youth'

Eventually, somebody is going to anonymously hand in a syringe of this stuff, and it's going to turn the sporting world upside down. Again.

"FOY" haha my last name

Collins is the one guy that Sprintgeezer always swore was clean. Maybe he just started training with Lagat or something.

Damn, Collins does it again!!!

Kiplacat wrote:

Collins is the one guy that Sprintgeezer always swore was clean. Maybe he just started training with Lagat or something.

More likely getting trade secrets from Rupp. At 28, people still call Rupp a kid. Rupp will set age records well into his 40s when he will look like he is still 30.

he is perhaps the least suspect. only improves by 0.01 sec.

very consistent. never been superfast,i.e.

Chambers, Gatlin, Collins, Lagat, MJ...

Maybe we should just adjust our priors and come to realise that given the right amount of decication and no injuries people can stay competitive in the sprints for a long time.

Most people quit because

a) they've achieved what they want to achieve

b) injuries prevent them from running their best

c) they can't make enough money and ahve other means of finding income

Theres a number of sprinters aside Collins that are competing well into their late thirties.

Chambers aside (since he doped), I personally know of Alexander Kosenkow, who's 37 and still competing close to or at the level he was when he was in his twenties (10.2x) and I'm pretty certain there's a number of other guys that are or could be competing at the same level they were in their twenties.

When does HGH naturally decline? Somehow. Simple HGH replacement would however not account for Collins lack of decline in performance.

yyy wrote:

he is perhaps the least suspect. only improves by 0.01 sec.

very consistent. never been superfast,i.e.

I think most people would agree that 9.96 is indeed "superfast" when we are talking about 38 year olds.

compared to one or two generations ago, people age much slower. Therefore is the life expectancy increasing and one naturally expects performance by older athletes that were

impossible 50yrs ago. In 2050, the best masters sprinters

might be around 10:00. The peak is a combination of accumulated training with natural decline.

yuro wrote:

(b) injuries prevent them from running their best

Author: clarify the topic

Subject: RE: Paula Radcliffe was Clean!

Message:

It is not unusual for footballers to now publicly acknowledge growth hormone usage:

"Barcelona paid for the growth hormone treatment that was so vital to his development in the game, and their reward is, so far at least, the kind of loyalty that in so much of football cannot be enforced even by the most elaborate and generous of contracts."

"So Xavi, one of the world’s best players regularly takes growth hormones, and Hunter didn’t seem bothered."

If you read the latter link above, you can see there is a connection to the 'footballer Doctor', Hans-Wilhelm Müller-Wohlfahrt that Radcliffe used/uses for her 'homeopathic'/Actovegin injections":

"In simplest terms, he's a celebrity healer"..."Radcliffe, 37, has been a faithful patient since Muller-Wohlfahrt first treated her for a foot stress fracture 17 years ago."..."Radcliffe sighed as the initial injections penetrated deep beneath the skin, with some needles 2 to 3 inches long. Muller-Wohlfahrt used his right hand to deliver 14 injections into her lower back. Another two were directed into the front of her right hip, followed by four into the top of her left foot."

But use of these types of therapies do not fall under the umbrella of what this thread is about...or do they?

The main interest/concern here is the use of EPO for improved hemoglobin manufacture and blood oxygen transport, right? The use of inhalers, and injections for body repair, is not germane to the main interest here, right?

What a joke.

Kim Collings basically looks like a Kenyan distance runner. His time would be better spent in the weight room, maybe then he would be able to compete with the world's best.

In terms of drugs, considering how SCRAWNY he his, maybe he uses EPO (just like Lagat did ... "not"). Other than that, can not imagine him doing things. Too much of a "nice guy"...lol.

True.

It is conceivable that Collins can run a 9.99 at age 40- 2016. He may yet PR again this season 9.95. If he stays healthy 9.97 next year and 9.99 in two years. A 9.99 by a 40 year old would be like a 3:54 mile equivalent.

Simples IGF-1 LR3 and testosterone .

perfect example of what it can do with such a high natural

stride frequnecy before add in igf-1.

Times have been done similar before

linford and that dutch athlete but both obvious dopers

and

massive difference is christie wasnt running pb ,s

yyy wrote:

he is perhaps the least suspect. only improves by 0.01 sec.

very consistent. never been superfast,i.e.

Correct. OP is a moron.

Collins has had perhaps the LEAST suspicious trajectory in sprinting:

2013 9.97 +2.0 Lausanne 04 JUL

2012 10.01 +1.4 Zürich (Letzigrund) 30 AUG

2011 10.00 +0.4 Guadalajara, MEX 24 OCT

2010 10.20 +0.4 Bochum 26 JUN

2009 10.15 +0.6 Basseterre 21 JUN

2008 10.05 -0.1 Beijing (National Stadium) 16 AUG

2007 10.14 +1.7 Rieti 09 SEP

2006 10.33 +0.1 Villeneuve-d'Ascq 09 JUN

2005 10.00 +1.0 London (CP) 22 JUL

2004 10.00 +0.6 Athína (Olympic Stadium) 22 AUG

2003 9.99 +1.3 Zürich 15 AUG

2002 9.98 +2.0 Paris (Charléty) 14 SEP

2002 9.98 +1.6 Zürich 16 AUG

2002 9.98 +0.2 Manchester 27 JUL

2001 10.04 -0.2 Ciudad de Guatemala (Mateo Flores) 20 JUL

2000 10.13 +0.6 El Paso, TX 20 MAY

1999 10.21 -0.1 Tempe, AZ 10 APR

1998 10.18 +0.5 Edwardsville, IL 16 MAY

yuro wrote:

Theres a number of sprinters aside Collins that are competing well into their late thirties.

Chambers aside (since he doped), I personally know of Alexander Kosenkow, who's 37 and still competing close to or at the level he was when he was in his twenties (10.2x) and I'm pretty certain there's a number of other guys that are or could be competing at the same level they were in their twenties.

Mickey Grimes was competing last year, and he was 37 at the time. 6.64 for 60 (lifetime PR 6.55), 10.30 for 100 (PR 9.99).

I hope he keeps going. Collins will need someone to race in the masters meets.

Make of it what you will, but Collins must be the first guy to run a 9.98 and then finally beat that time after 11 years of trying, with a 9.97 (and then beat that time the following year).

Barc Lord wrote:

Make of it what you will, but Collins must be the first guy to run a 9.98 and then finally beat that time after 11 years of trying, with a 9.97 (and then beat that time the following year).

So, if a guy improves quickly, he's doped.

And if a guy improves slowly, he's doped.

K.