HS Coaching Money (and teacher salaries)

Not even close. All combined, it is right at $50k. I wish it were $92k!

pretty much the same in the NYC area although some districts pay much better. I've never complained about my salary and believe I am compensated quite well for the job I do.

That's about 4k per season which probably works out to minimum wage.

The 80k is for 9-10 months of work so extrapolate that put to a full year.

Plus, wait for it, a PENSION. Gotta take that I to account.

Not that teachers don't deserve it, but all things need to be considered pus and minus.

And flaggy, that is ONE example. You should no better than that, brother

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Not even close to that in Missouri. Cost of living has an impact I'm sure.

I'll end up around 46k for my 4th year. That includes my base salary plus 3 different stipends. The hours in coaching put those stipends well below hourly minimum wage, although I feel my base teaching salary is pretty fair as we have good benefits and pension.

coaching stipends are less here in california--a little less than 3k/season for head coaches, a little over 2k for assts.

i'm not sure what you're arguing here, though. most teachers i know don't use the argument of underpaid or overpaid; we simply want to be fairly compensated with commensurate raises. yes, i also believe in job protections for a few reasons: one, we need to make teaching a more attractive job, not a less attractive one; two, to counter the "why should teachers get protections/benefits/pensions/etc. that other jobs don't?"--why don't other jobs fight for these protections too (and others DO have them), instead of criticizing what we have; and three, it is an inherently more difficult (but not impossible) job to properly measure performance (unlike, for example, running, or building a house, or selling a car). that said, there are valid arguments for schools being under-administrated to allow administrators to properly assess young and old teachers, and perhaps the tenure track starts too early, though solving the former problem could solve the latter.

beginning wages can be abysmal, especially if you consider a year of student-teaching that most still have to do where they may not get paid at all. however, i think professional track credential programs (where student-teachers can get emergency credentials to work/get paid while student-teaching) may be more the norm now (they weren't 17 years ago or so when i started).

if you can weather those first 5 or so years, i'll agree with the above posts: teaching hourly wages are fair, but coaching hourly wages in most sports are below minimum wage...

Ohio is not the only place in the world, as much as it might seem so at times (it's also one of the top-paid teacher states in the country). Why don't you say "In the specific place in which I live, teacher pay is fairly good," instead of making a broad generalization? Many teachers are well-paid, and many aren't. It bears mentioning that private school teachers are paid much less on average than public school teachers-- I personally know charter school teachers near LA making under 40k/year. Hand-waving about how they could make more money at public schools is not convincing, as they still represent a segment of the teaching profession.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/12/15/how-much-teachers-get-paid-state-by-state/

Milburn hs wrote:

That's about 4k per season which probably works out to minimum wage.

The 80k is for 9-10 months of work so extrapolate that put to a full year.

Plus, wait for it, a PENSION. Gotta take that I to account.

Not that teachers don't deserve it, but all things need to be considered pus and minus.

And flaggy, that is ONE example. You should no better than that, brother

All of the teachers in my kid's school district make made money like that. One of the HS band teachers just retired at age 57...he was making $96,000+. All of the teachers that have been there 20+ years make over $80,000, and all of the ones close to retirement (so in their early-mid 50s) all make over $90,000 with some right at the end VERY close to $100,000.

Racehorse wrote:

Not even close. All combined, it is right at $50k. I wish it were $92k!

You've probably said so before, but I forget...are you a PUBLIC school teacher? How many years in? What state?

in the NYC area teachers are well paid, $100000+ a year is common for those with 20+ years of service. But many policemen, firemen, sanitation workers and railroad conductors make more and the cost of living is high with property taxes often more than $25,000.

Milburn hs wrote:

That's about 4k per season which probably works out to minimum wage.

The 80k is for 9-10 months of work so extrapolate that put to a full year.

Plus, wait for it, a PENSION. Gotta take that I to account.

Not that teachers don't deserve it, but all things need to be considered pus and minus.

And flaggy, that is ONE example. You should no better than that, brother

Yeah, the coaching isn't a TON of money, but I know some who make less. The teacher salary is darn good though. His wife is in the school district too and adds another $80,000 to their family pot.

MO coach wrote:

Not even close to that in Missouri. Cost of living has an impact I'm sure.

I'll end up around 46k for my 4th year. That includes my base salary plus 3 different stipends. The hours in coaching put those stipends well below hourly minimum wage, although I feel my base teaching salary is pretty fair as we have good benefits and pension.

Yeah, but he's 22-23 years in. You might be close to that (equivalent to that then) by then.

Are teachers in Ohio unionized? Try going down to Georgia where there is no union and no tenure and say that teachers don't make much. I'm talking teachers who've been working for 20 years and still making in the low 40s, with very little job security.

Flagpole,

OK, I'll take the bait here.

I have no legitimate beef with my salary. I'm doing fine.

But you do realize that your school system is not the norm even here in Ohio?

The average teacher salary in your system (2009 figures) was 46k, flagpole, not what Andy is making. You can look it up. Still a good living, but not what you are implying.

Additionally, comparing the rest of us to your VERY affluent northern Columbus suburb is more apples and oranges. Your community's median income is double that of the first two systems I taught in (both under 40k per family), and 30% higher than the one I am in now.

That's a heck of an advantage. Your community can afford to pay the people who work with your children well (and do); that's why you get the quality of teacher that your system has currently.

Introduce yourself to other schools in your state. Start with the Frontier and Southern Local systems, then maybe Vinton County and East Clintons. Throw in Old Fort and Bettsville as well. Not everyone enjoys your advantages.

Oh, and 30 years in, I'm doing fine. But I started under 15k in one of those SEO systems. Now, halfway across the state, with a masters plus in a public school that is rated 'excellent with distinction', and coaching the same two sports Andy is... and I'm still a good 20k behind him. Again, I'm fine with that, but you are painting with a VERY broad brush.

If we all started with the same resources the Cardinals enjoy, this would be a much better place, wouldn't you say?

I almost double my teaching salary running camps during the summer. That's where the money is.

Asiatic Flu wrote:

Ohio is not the only place in the world, as much as it might seem so at times (it's also one of the top-paid teacher states in the country). Why don't you say "In the specific place in which I live, teacher pay is fairly good," instead of making a broad generalization? Many teachers are well-paid, and many aren't. It bears mentioning that private school teachers are paid much less on average than public school teachers-- I personally know charter school teachers near LA making under 40k/year. Hand-waving about how they could make more money at public schools is not convincing, as they still represent a segment of the teaching profession.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/12/15/how-much-teachers-get-paid-state-by-state/

1) Umm...I mentioned lower-paid private school teachers in my original post.

2) The public at large should NOT feel sorry for lower-paid teachers in private schools. That is a CHOICE they make, and IF THEY GET CERTIFIED, they have the option to enter the public school system. Some do it for religious reasons...well, we all make choices in life.

3) Looking at the map you provided, Ohio seems to be just about average, and when you look at $47,000 a year in North Dakota vs. $58,000 in Ohio, that's probably about the same considering cost of living.

4) Finally, I know teachers making less than $40,000 a year too...they're called "newbies". They all start at that...and that's not even bad really. Lots of brand new graduates would love a 9 month job that pays $35,000 with guaranteed salary increases each year.

I am a elementary teacher in a Central Ohio suburb. My base salary for 7 hours a day and 186 days a year is $81,700.

My coaching stipend for one sport is $8286.00 and if I retire today my pension is $53,972 yearly. I am comfortable.

http://buckeyeinstitute.org/teacher-salary

If you have 20+ years in the district, you can reach mid 70s. If that time is split between other districts though, you max out in the mid 60s. Both of those figures require education after a masters degree.

Taking the few highest salaries doesn't give an accurate depiction of what teachers are being paid because most teachers are only receiving that much for the 2-3 years of their career. It's very common for teachers in our area to pick up additional stipends (summer school, weekend detention, working gates for games, etc.) to boost their salaries near the end of the their career because the pension figure is based on your last 3 years in the workforce.

Average salary in my district is around 54k, with an average experience level of 13 years. That gives the best idea of what teachers are making over most of their careers.

I'm not buying that the schools in Ohio are all that different. Yes, some are more affluent, but I chose to look also at Wadsworth City.

Truck loads of teachers there making over $75,000, many over $80,000.

Yes you can find states where the pay is much worse. Those states are the exception though. Bottom line is that you can do quite well for yourself as a teacher. Perhaps to get hired in a better school district, you need to do well in college and on the Praxis, but the opportunity is there.