3:29.46 (1500)
7:20.67 (3k)
12:39.74
His 15 is slower than ElGs but his 5k is substantially faster. His 5k is slower than Geb and Bekele but his 15 and 3ks are faster. Is he the best middle distance runner of all time?
3:29.46 (1500)
7:20.67 (3k)
12:39.74
His 15 is slower than ElGs but his 5k is substantially faster. His 5k is slower than Geb and Bekele but his 15 and 3ks are faster. Is he the best middle distance runner of all time?
Middle distance is 800 to 1500, and his 800 would be quite pedestrian compared to his other times.
But yes, he has by far the best range from 1500 to 5000. No one else is even close.
Rio Grande wrote:
But yes, he has by far the best range from 1500 to 5000. No one else is even close.
This guy, El G, maybe you know him, he is 3:26, 7:23, 12:50.
He doesn't have any Olympic medals so he is not as good as Billy Mills or Baldini to name just two.
It's hard to take him over El G as a 15/5 man. Komen ran 3:29 in his off event, while El G won a gold medal in his. El G was also much better at the 15 than Komen in the 5. Komen was obviously far superior in the 3000. Also don't forger El G's stunning 2000 world record.
Um okay so tell me why again you think ElG is a better 15-5k guy than Komen??? Please explain......
the goat when it's said & done wrote:
Um okay so tell me why again you think ElG is a better 15-5k guy than Komen??? Please explain......
El G is over 3 seconds faster over 1500m, that is a lot of time. Obviously a better Mile. Has better 2000m. Only 3 seconds slower in the 3000m. 11 seconds slower in the 5000m.
Is a Gold medalist in 1500 and 5000. Better times and performances.
If you need this explained to you, nobody can help you.
Komen had a 2 year career. In that span he was able to achieve substantially better PR's in the 3000 and the 5000 than El G. El G had much more opportunities to better those PR's and in my opinion still doesn't have an overall better combination of PR's. One way to compare is cumalative IAAF table scores.
Komen: 3839
El G:3830
Very close, and while the tables aren't perfect, they are unbias source. Could go either way. I lean towards Komen.
Torabus wrote:
El G is over 3 seconds faster over 1500m, that is a lot of time. Obviously a better Mile. Has better 2000m. Only 3 seconds slower in the 3000m. 11 seconds slower in the 5000m.
Is a Gold medalist in 1500 and 5000. Better times and performances.
The OP didn't ask about medals and winning races or who was the best runner. He only asked about who had the strongest times at 3 distances.
Komen was 3 seconds slower in the 1500/mile, 3 seconds faster in the 3000 and 11 seconds faster in the 5K. Anyway you look at it Komen has the strongest combined times at all 3.
OP also asked who was the best middle-distance runner, and 1500 being the only middle distance they competed at, El G was faster.
Torabus wrote:
OP also asked who was the best middle-distance runner, and 1500 being the only middle distance they competed at, El G was faster.
At the professional level 3k and even sometimes 5k is considered mid distance.
El G never went all out in the 5.
Hicham El theGOAT wrote:
El G never went all out in the 5.
Maybe he should have tried it when Stephen Cherono blew his doors off in Ostrava.
Komen never went all out in the 1500.
the goat when it's said & done wrote:
3:29.46 (1500)
7:20.67 (3k)
12:39.74
His 15 is slower than ElGs but his 5k is substantially faster. His 5k is slower than Geb and Bekele but his 15 and 3ks are faster. Is he the best middle distance runner of all time?
Mo would belong in this conversation if he could be bothered to try to run fast times at 3k and 5k.
Not Komen, not H. el GH, not Bekele, not Geb, not none of them could do
sub 1:45
sub 3:30
sub 7:30 and
sub 13
Other than confessed doper Aouita, the only man ever to do it is Augustine Choge, who is still only 27 years old.
The 5k is considered mid distance on the elite level. It's obviously at the upper end of mid D, but it is in that group nonetheless.
Having said that, Komen has the upper hand on a TIME basis. El G certainly has the medals, so he has the upper hand on the PERFORMANCE basis. Komens career was over and done with very quickly.
I kind of hope the same thing doesn't happen to Rudisha.....a once in a lifetime flash in the pan talent who had the track and field world by the honches and threw it all away.
How can that happen to Rudisha? He struck a gold mine, not just a flash in the pan.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Not Komen, not H. el GH, not Bekele, not Geb, not none of them could do
sub 1:45
sub 3:30
sub 7:30 and
sub 13
El G could have gone well under 1:45. He demolished sub 3:30/7:30/13