Loot wrote:
Geb broke the 5K WR 6 times. lol. Wanna fail again?
He's not failing. You are failing to comprehend his points. The 5000 record was weak when Geb broke it. It wasn't weak when Bekele broke it.
The number of times someone sets a world record is irrelevant. Especially when they are holding back and purposefully breaking their records only a little bit at a time in order to make money.
Also, Geb never accomplished what Bekele did in xc.
100: bolt (Maurice green, Carl Lewis, Powell, gatlin honorable mentions) 200: bolt (MJ,frank Fredericks and lewis honorable mentions) 400: Michael Johnson (lashawn, wariner and butch reynolds honorable mention) 800: kipketer (rudisha ovett Coe Cruz all VERY honorable mentions)1500: El G (Bernard lakick morceli kiprop Coe cram auoita honorable mentions)5000: Kenny (geb mo komen the shifter Sileshi sihine eluid kipchoge honorable mentions)10000: geb (Kenny Khalid skah mo Sileshi shihine the shifter honorable mentions) marathon: geb (mutai Wilson kipsang Sammy wanjiru rob de castella Douglas wakiihuri khalid khannouchi honorable mention) 110 hurdles: Allen johnson (Colin Jackson lee Calhoun Xiang liu roger kingdom honorable mentions) 400 hurdles: Edwin moses (Felix Sanchez kerron clement Angelo Taylor Kevin young John akii-bua glen Davis honorable mentions) 3000m SC: moses kiptanui (said shaheen Ezekiel, Paul Koech Brimin kipruto kip keino reuben kosgei honorable mentions)
SomeGuyWithFacts wrote:
Herb Elliot
There ya go. /Thread
+1
It's "Elliott," though.
Welsh Wizard wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:This thread is already ended. Augustine Choge.
The problem with Choge is that he never really wins anything at any distance. He is one of the most versatile, although I'd be confident Farah and Auoita would beat him over any distance from 1500 to 10k, but I would not necessarily say the most talented.
Aouita is a self-outed doper and does not count for anything. If WADA had any integrity they'd put the Aussies under oath and bust all his records and titles just like Lance.
As for Farah, he has
0 sub 7:30's (Choge has 5)
3 sub 13's (Choge has 4)
1 sub 3:30 (only .66 seconds faster than Choge's)
1 sub 3:33 (Choge has 13)
0 sub 1:45's (Choge has 1)
All this and he's four years younger than Farah. Sure, Farah has won a few championships, but those are measures of strategy and luck, not talent - and in Farah's case, they're also about expensive high-tech training that the Choge's of the world can't access. Before he joined NOP, Farah was a 13:05 guy at best. That's how much genuine talent he has, the rest is coaching and science.
At 31, Farah has run 11 sub 13:10's. At 27, Choge has already run 13. In his career, confessed doper Aouita only ran 7. Choge is little and has a loping stride - he will easily transition to 10,000 and run sub 27 multiple times.
The world was shocked to see Farah run sub 3:30. Nobody was surprised when Choge did it. Nobody even noticed - of course he was gonna do it.
Greatest all-around runner of all time.
opinionated guy wrote:
Captain Oblivious wrote:Van Damme wasn't going to win any gold in '76 because he didn't.
It really is not difficult to understand that the guy meant '76 for Pre and '80 for Van Damme since they each died prior to those games.
Not get back to the card table and let the adults talk.
Adults should know how to say what they mean.
odk wrote:
Loot wrote:Geb broke the 5K WR 6 times. lol. Wanna fail again?
He's not failing. You are failing to comprehend his points. The 5000 record was weak when Geb broke it. It wasn't weak when Bekele broke it.
The number of times someone sets a world record is irrelevant. Especially when they are holding back and purposefully breaking their records only a little bit at a time in order to make money.
Are you really this stupid? Who had the record when Bekele broke it, dumbazz. lol. shoot yourself
rono.
peter elliot is up there. he worked full time and still worked wonders.
moorcroft too, don't think he had anywhere near the training of the others, once healthy he blew the doors off.
keno maybe, his training might have been screwy.
ryan sure.
coe ovett cram, without epo you figure el-g was in the same league.
moe is up there. don't think he trained that hard early on and that was good because he'd be burned by now if he did.
bekele and geb would be world beaters epo or no epo.
bekele was capable of the 12 minute 3 mile for sure and probably 124x 5k without epo.
gotta list bannister. his training was crap.
herb elliot despite being trained by all time great cerutti, might have been more of an experiment than a finished piece.
WNcmtnrnr wrote:
"Most talented?"
IMO,
800-Toss up btw Coe or Rudisha (maybe Snell)
1500/Mile-Ryun if healthy
3000-El G if he had focused on it.
5000-Komen
10,000-Haile G
Half- Tadese
Full Marathon- Sammy Wanjiru
800 - Agreed
1500 - Ryun!? Of these competitors which one(s) is Ryun more talented? El G, Ngeny, Lagat, Morceli, Kiprop, Cacho, Webb, Komen, Cram, Coe...the list goes on. The answer is: none. You put Ryun (in his prime) against these competitors (in their prime) and Ryun finishes last every time (except for maybe Webb).
3000 - This is obviously Komen!
5000 - Toss up between Komen, Haile G, Bekele
10,000 - Agreed.
Half/Full - Agreed.
Brushie wrote:
1500 - Ryun!? Of these competitors which one(s) is Ryun more talented? El G, Ngeny, Lagat, Morceli, Kiprop, Cacho, Webb, Komen, Cram, Coe...the list goes on. The answer is: none. You put Ryun (in his prime) against these competitors (in their prime) and Ryun finishes last every time (except for maybe Webb.
Good one.
Best / most natural ability?
800 - Rudisha, Coe, Snell -- too many fishy things about Kipketer and his "malaria" which never matched the symptoms of malaria, but did match... well, you know.
1500/mile - Ryun (maybe drop him into the 800 too along with Rudisha / Coe) - his lousy training and super speed - while not training for speed or running a lot of workouts at near the speed of Ovett, Coe, Aouita, etc. shows untapped potential over 400 meters -- (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUsEuv3Debs
)
5000 - Aouita - people might accuse him of doping, but anyone who thinks Geb or Komen were clean back in the day is an absolute idiot - never mind believing KB was clean at his "best" --
10000 - Tergat, Clarke -- Tergat would have Gold if it weren't for EPO drenched little demons...Clarke was a grinder, considering the conditions, tracks, and how far ahead he was of the rest of the pack when healthy and at his peak, has to be on the list --
Brushie wrote:
800 - Agreed
1500 - Ryun!? Of these competitors which one(s) is Ryun more talented? El G, Ngeny, Lagat, Morceli, Kiprop, Cacho, Webb, Komen, Cram, Coe...the list goes on. The answer is: none. You put Ryun (in his prime) against these competitors (in their prime) and Ryun finishes last every time (except for maybe Webb).
3000 - This is obviously Komen!
5000 - Toss up between Komen, Haile G, Bekele
10,000 - Agreed.
Half/Full - Agreed.
Is this Deano posting under yet another name? Maybe not, after all, mentioning EPO cheats like El G, Ngeny, Lagat. LOL
Complete moron.
Rilla the Paleo wrote:
Is this Deano posting under yet another name? Maybe not, after all, mentioning EPO cheats like El G, Ngeny, Lagat. LOL
Complete moron.
You wish. Anywho, that still leaves: Morceli, Kiprop, Cacho, Webb, Komen, Cram, Coe...and many more.
You really think Ryun is the most talented 1500/miler ever!? He's not even the most talented American runner.
Oh, but I did forgot to factor in 2.5 seconds a lap for running on cinders which puts his mile pr at 3:41.1. So, I guess he was the greatest ever.
Captain Oblivious wrote:
Adults should know how to say what they mean.
I understood exactly what he meant. Maybe it was the comprehension skills of the one person that did not understand? However, I 'think' it was one person being an a$$ just for the sake of being an a$$. They were probably bored and got overly picky and precise about a post.
Brushie wrote:
You really think Ryun is the most talented 1500/miler ever!? He's not even the most talented American runner.
Good one.