Hmm....Former World jr champ Caleb Ndiku said on facebook that today is his bday, but official stats say bday is Oct 9th

Kenyans and Ethiopians don't even know their own birthdays so they choose a random day whenever they are asked (and usually conflict themselves).

LetsRun.com wrote:...or is this further proof they probably should just get rid of World Juniors as you can't believe any of the birthdays from the 3rd world countries?

not on this basis

regardless of if he was born june or october, it wouldn't have affected his junior status in '11 as he would still have been not 20y in that calendar year

a few months is nothing, grampa ches lies by decades

If he wanted to lie, why wouldn't he just change the year, rather than the day? Perhaps he just has no idea what the actual date is?

World Jrs is Affirmative Action In Athletics

Collin wrote:

If he wanted to lie, why wouldn't he just change the year, rather than the day? Perhaps he just has no idea what the actual date is?

The DOB on his ID is probably the day of the year he got the ID/passport/birth certificate, and a guess on the birth year.

Can't believe the Brojos are surprised that a Kenyan has an incorrect age?

Caleb was born in 1992, and in Kenya everybody born before 2003 didn't have the official registration of the birthday in the Hospital, which started to be a must after that date.

Children didn't have ID till when they needed for the first time (for the most part of athletes, when they had to compete in the National School Championships, where every participant has to show an official document).

So, when they needed, they had to go to the office of the district for asking the Birth certificate. The official asked "in which class in the school are you ?", and, according to the class, they gave the official year of Birth. The day was the day of the request.

But in many cases, when we speak about boys living in small villages on the mountains, they didn't start primary schools when 6y old, but when 8 or 10 (when, fo example, the school was very far from thei house). This fact explains why, in the most part of cases, in their passport the age is not correct.

The situation for new generations now is completely different, and I think that everybody born in the last 10 years has perfect documents, very correct, like in Europe and Northern America.

Also in Asia (China, for example), we often find the same situation. We need to know the reality of small villages without any official structure, and without specific facilities and equipments, for understanding this diffused situation, before thinking everybody is a cheater because of the possibility to win medals in athletics cheating about the age.

Very good, Renato. Could you explain the expatiate situation, where Kenyans switching nationalities, then suddenly the KAA comes out with their actual ages (in the case of Kenyan Juniors) to disqualify them from Junior competition.

Are the "new" age revelations real, or are they a matter of vindictiveness by the KAA?

Renato Canova wrote:

So, when they needed, they had to go to the office of the district for asking the Birth certificate. The official asked "in which class in the school are you ?", and, according to the class, they gave the official year of Birth. The day was the day of the request.

But in many cases, when we speak about boys living in small villages on the mountains, they didn't start primary schools when 6y old, but when 8 or 10 (when, fo example, the school was very far from thei house). This fact explains why, in the most part of cases, in their passport the age is not correct.

So if they didn't start til 8-10, a lot of the "19" year old Kenyans would really be 21-23? I would be shocked if the current Jr World record in the 5k was at a legitimate 19 years of age

Renato Canova wrote:

We need to know the reality of small villages without any official structure, and without specific facilities and equipments, for understanding this diffused situation, before thinking everybody is a cheater because of the possibility to win medals in athletics cheating about the age.

Will the idiots listen to someone who knows what life is like in Kenya and stop calling people cheaters?

Cheating involves intention.

Mo Ron wrote:

Cheating involves intention.

cheat

verb \ˈchēt\

: to break a rule or law usually to gain an advantage at something

Don't see anything about intention in there. Intentional or Unintentional. Breaking a rule is cheating

I'm not surprised that oregon leads the charge in welcoming age cheats like LV and grampa ches. Oregon is corrupt to the bone.

But the real question is WHEN IS HIS BIRTHDAY??? We don't care how old he is, we just want to wish him happy returns...

Cheating... wrote:

Mo Ron wrote:

Cheating involves intention.

cheat

verb ˈchēt

: to break a rule or law usually to gain an advantage at something

Don't see anything about intention in there. Intentional or Unintentional. Breaking a rule is cheating

Dunno about that.

Wikipedia: Cheating is the getting of reward for ability by dishonest means.

Your Merriam-Webster: Cheat: to violate rules dishonestly

Farlex Dictionary: Cheat: To act dishonestly or To violate rules deliberately

LetsRun.com wrote:

...is this further proof they probably should just get rid of World Juniors as I can't believe any of the birthdays from the 3rd world countries?

Fixed that for you.

Cheating... wrote:

Mo Ron wrote:

Cheating involves intention.

cheat

verb ˈchēt

: to break a rule or law usually to gain an advantage at something

Don't see anything about intention in there. Intentional or Unintentional. Breaking a rule is cheating

As an English prof, I give you an F for backing up your argument with a random definition. You do realize that these definitions are written by people, often people with very specific agendas? There is no godly definition spewer out there.

Anyone can make em'!

Here, I'll show you:

Idiot:(noun)-- A poster on Letsrun.com with the handle of "Cheating"

Good to know things are improving, but the world jr. records are extremely suspect in the distance events. I would be curious to see a study of who has set the marks or come close to them and where they grew up.

Also sucks for those competing at WJR champs and being possibly 2-4 years younger than your competition, especially when they are a great natural talent already. My 23 year old self could run at least a minute faster over 10K XC than my 19 year old self. At the 30:00 - 31:00 minute range that is an extreme diffence in placing at say NCAA's or world jrs.

Renato, when are you going to post some training of Ndiku!!!?

[quote]ethical duck wrote:

I'm not surprised that oregon leads the charge in welcoming age cheats like LV and grampa ches. Oregon is corrupt to the bone.[/

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Yet another poster who seems to hope that the NCAA will someday include age restriction as an eligibility requirement.

If this is what you want, petition NCAA to draft and vote on such a rule; don't tell us about it. In the meantime, Ed and any other 23 freshmen are welcome to win titles right ouut of the hands of folks like the Message Board regulars who were foolish enough to use up their own eligibility by the time they got fit and mature enough to successfully compete.