The kids are getting much faster, and don't tell me its the internet or some kind of horeshit like that. Somethings going on.
The kids are getting much faster, and don't tell me its the internet or some kind of horeshit like that. Somethings going on.
Old fast chump wrote:
The kids are getting much faster, and don't tell me its the internet or some kind of horeshit like that. Somethings going on.
you know how in batman begins scarecrow and company put a chemical in the water supply that they then turn into steam and it makes all of Gotham paranoid? Salazar's done the same with EPO.
WAY faster? Or more kids are running as fast as the faster kids from the past?
More kids so a higher number try to run and the modern world makes us hear about them.
Old fast chump wrote:
The kids are getting much faster, and don't tell me its the internet or some kind of horeshit like that. Somethings going on.
Culture: Complete "horeshit,"
according to the OP. lol yep culture, ideas/ideology and such unscientific factors have never motivated people throughout human history...
Every now and then, a greater amount of talent enters the sport than usual, leading to a few years of higher levels of performance than most people are used to. The loons who occupy the ranks of coaching fraternity are quick to claim credit ("it's because we stress core training now!"), but in reality the recent rise in performance solely a result of chance, and the trend will reverse in a few years.
More boys running 8:50's but nobody running sub-8:45.
Handful of boys running 4:05-4:10 but nobody getting close to 4.
That comes from more mileage not more talent.
As for the girls, the records and top lists are soft, so, again opportunities for those willing to put in the work.
At the college level, no American kid has run faster than 1:46, 3:38 or 13:32 in the year 2014.
Those are times from 40-50 years ago.
hum and drum wrote:
More boys running 8:50's but nobody running sub-8:45.
Handful of boys running 4:05-4:10 but nobody getting close to 4.
That comes from more mileage not more talent.
Nobody's threatening sub 4? Blake Haney ran 4:44 for the 1500 LAST YEAR. he's looking even better this year and has a fantastic chance of breaking 4 for the mile. Garrett O'toole ran 3:45 for the 1500 already. I also wouldn't rule out Grant Fisher.
*3:44 for haney, not 4:44
There may be greater numbers of pretty fast kids now but there's nothing going on like there was in the 60s and 70s when you had Ryun, Danielson, and Liquouri going under 4:00 in the mile and Lindgren, Dan Nelson, and Prefontaine in the two mile/5,000/10,000.
How about people have so many more training resources, so much more knowledge, more reasons to be motivated to run, and there are a lot more people in the world? Those all seem to contribute.
number ln e wrote:
Nobody's threatening sub 4? Blake Haney ran 4:44 for the 1500 LAST YEAR. he's looking even better this year and has a fantastic chance of breaking 4 for the mile. Garrett O'toole ran 3:45 for the 1500 already. I also wouldn't rule out Grant Fisher.
I'm guessing he means breaking 4 minutes. Every year we have a handful of guys threatening the 4 minute barrier but more often than not it doesn't happen
We're finally getting back to where we were in the 1960's and 1970s
HRE wrote:
There may be greater numbers of pretty fast kids now but there's nothing going on like there was in the 60s and 70s when you had Ryun, Danielson, and Liquouri going under 4:00 in the mile and Lindgren, Dan Nelson, and Prefontaine in the two mile/5,000/10,000.
HA! Webb, Ritz, Hall, Rupp, Verzbiscus, Fernandez would serve those guys up.
They really wouldn't. None of them won any sorts of international races while in high school like Ryun and Lindgren did. But I certainly could have included their names as they do help make the same point.
HRE wrote:
There may be greater numbers of pretty fast kids now but there's nothing going on like there was in the 60s and 70s when you had Ryun, Danielson, and Liquouri going under 4:00 in the mile and Lindgren, Dan Nelson, and Prefontaine in the two mile/5,000/10,000.
Who's this Dan Nelson fellow? Wasn't he from the 80s? I know he was a good runner, but I never heard of him in the context of being a HS legend.
Anyway, you can't really say "now" doesn't comes to "the 60s and 70s". The 60s and 70s was a 20-year stretch. Of course you're going to be able to come up with some legendary runners from a 20 year stretch. But for overall depth as measured by sub-9 3200m performances or sub 4:10 miles, recent years have been far better than the 60s and 70s. And there have been some amazing individuals too.
Drugs.
It honestly is the internet. As soon as someone drops a fast time everybody knows about it. There's constant motivation for kids to work more cause they see their competitors improving
The idea that less is more in the 90's and it's impact is now fully reversing itself.
Fewer parents buying into the soccer craze that drew so many kids away from running in the 2000's and realizing that they really don't want to commit financially and their time to clubs outside of the hs season once they reach that age.
A better coaching pool that is in tune with recognizing talent and developing it. Convincing kids to put in the extra effort. Like they were doing in the 60's & 70's where they had fewer options/distractions. So yeah, more available information and an interest in applying it to the talent.
Error Massage wrote:
HRE wrote:There may be greater numbers of pretty fast kids now but there's nothing going on like there was in the 60s and 70s when you had Ryun, Danielson, and Liquouri going under 4:00 in the mile and Lindgren, Dan Nelson, and Prefontaine in the two mile/5,000/10,000.
HA! Webb, Ritz, Hall, Rupp, Verzbiscus, Fernandez would serve those guys up.
Umm no...
Webb didn't run on dirt tracks. After HS he would be looking for a real job.
Rupp wouldn't have his HS altitude tent or special training aids. As an asthmatic, Rupp would never have been a good runner in the 1960s.
Verzbicas would be looking for a real job right after HS.
Fernandez wouldn't have special tracks to run on, and after HS he would be looking for a real job.