Why does everyone consider El G a doper but not Kiprop?

One ran at a time when the ability to test was more limited.

mralsharpton wrote:

One ran at a time when the ability to test was more limited.

not a valid answer. are you saying everyone who ran under 3:30 before 2005 was doped? the reason el G is sketchy is his consistancy

El G dominated for 8 years. For nearly 4 of those years EPO was undetectable. He routinely beat people who ended up testing positive, including lagat, and kaouch, his slower training partner/championship rabbit.

Kiprop is inconsistent and gets beaten by others. He runs very fast maybe 2 or 3 times per season, not EVERY SINGLE RACE like some robot.

ALAN MF WEBB wrote:

El G dominated for 8 years. For nearly 4 of those years EPO was undetectable. He routinely beat people who ended up testing positive, including lagat, and kaouch, his slower training partner/championship rabbit.

Kiprop is inconsistent and gets beaten by others. He runs very fast maybe 2 or 3 times per season, not EVERY SINGLE RACE like some robot.

The judgment criteria for doping based on "consistency of performance" really doesn't make all that much sense when you put together all the opinions on this board.

- A large number of people argue that being extremely consistent at a high level indicates doping. Exhibit A: El Guerrouj. Exhibit B: Gebrselassie. Exhibit C: Bekele.

- However, a significant proportion of the board also routinely accuses very inconsistent runners of doping for their wild fluctuations in performance. The runners accused include Centro (performing abnormally well during Championship races), Makhloufi (performing abnormally well during ONE Championship race), and a number of others.

Before trying to use either criteria, the people in the aforementioned groups should at least try to come to a consensus regarding which one is actually valid.

That is a fair point. But my other points still stand.

how about this

El G never failed an in-competition drug test

so as far as i'm concerned, he never raced while doped.

HOWEVER

i highly doubt he was routinely tests whilst up in those Moroccan mountains with his small elite training group. what went on during his training phase is a little bit more up for debate. perhaps he used epo to recover faster in training.

but he never raced dirty.

crossfit all american wrote:

the reason el G is sketchy is his consistancy

That's why El G is NOT sketchy. When you're doped you have to go on/off to avoid the tests. When you're consistent you can improve to a higher level than you could with constant setbacks.

Seyta wrote:

- A large number of people argue that being extremely consistent at a high level indicates doping. Exhibit A: El Guerrouj. Exhibit B: Gebrselassie. Exhibit C: Bekele.

Except none of those guys are proven dopers so none of them count as "exhibits." The only examples we can analyze are the ones actually caught, like Ramzi, Slaney, or Sanchez...

Why does anyone consider El G a doper?

Not all of them. Lagat didn't test positive.

ALAN MF WEBB wrote:

That is a fair point. But my other points still stand.

El G: Muslim

Kiprop: Christian

I think they are both clean. But if the above criterion isto be applied, I think ELG is clean and Kaprip is dirty.

one word..

morocco

good kush & alcohol wrote:

how about this

El G never failed an in-competition drug test

so as far as i'm concerned, he never raced while doped.

HOWEVER

i highly doubt he was routinely tests whilst up in those Moroccan mountains with his small elite training group. what went on during his training phase is a little bit more up for debate. perhaps he used epo to recover faster in training.

but he never raced dirty.

What? If you're training dirty, you're racing dirty.

Only one of them is managed by DR Rosa!

1.) training partner kaouch (sp?) was convicted as a doper

2.) 8 years as a 3.30 man in almost every single race in an age when epo was rampant

3.) he's moroccan

4.) the "he never failed a test" BS doesn't hold up- a la marion jones...a la lance armstrong

Kiprop is certainly a candidate to be considered a doper, too.

But El G's top 9 times are better than Kiprop's best.

Then El G sneaks in another 4 performances better than Kiprop's second best.

The ability to handle that volume of high quality races year after year seems a bit out of whack.

Kiprop will only put up one or two fast times in a year.

That's why El G is much more questionable than Kiprop.

he's moroccan ,they all dope

he thrashed all the dopers he competed against

it's a no brainer

rekrunner wrote:

Not all of them. Lagat didn't test positive.

ALAN MF WEBB wrote:

That is a fair point. But my other points still stand.