David Epstein or ProPublica formerly of Sports Illustrated has an article out today that links Jon Drummond, chair of the USATF athletes advisory committee, to Tyson Gay's doping.
Quote on Drummond:
"According to people familiar with the Gay investigation, the sprinter told investigators that his former coach Jon Drummond, a gold medalist and chair of USA Track and Field's Athletes Advisory Committee, encouraged his use of the banned products and transported them for him"
Worth a read here: http://www.propublica.org/arti...ng-tactics
The article also explains why many (including LRC) believe it is essential to give reduced bans to athletes who cooperate with USADA and help out others cheats presumably like Tyson Gay did. As David said in an email to LRC this week, "It should be clear to all now that sophisticated dopers can beat testing". Thus its important for USADA to get the cooperation of athletes like Gay to catch coaches and other athletes who are cheating.
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- David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to wejo
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Wow. This is going to get good.
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to wejo
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...coaches, athletes, and the USATF athletes advisory chair who may be cheating.
wejo wrote:
Thus its important for USADA to get the cooperation of athletes like Gay to catch coaches and other athletes who are cheating.
Sophisticated dopers can beat testing, especially when people on the inside are helping them, allegedly.
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to wejo
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Did he just compare t&f with orgnized crime?
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to MIC ITW
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I was in Paris at Le Stade de France for World's when Jon Drummond refused to leave the track after a dq. It went on for maybe 10 minutes.
I've never seen anything quite like it. I would be like a pitcher getting dq'e for spitballing, and stubborning sitting on the mound for ten minutes as 55,421 fans jeered and cheered.
Since the French don't have any Cossacks to enforce the rule of law, they just had to ask him in increasingly raised voice to "Sortez!".
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to wejo
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I thought his claim was that he "unknowingly" took PEDs. Now he's saying that he did know he was taking them, and Drummond was his supplier? This should be good.
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to Moe's Tavern
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No. He compared fighting doping in T&F to fighting the mafia by giving reduced sentences to informants.
Moe's Tavern wrote:
Did he just compare t&f with orgnized crime?
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to guess i'm missed that part
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Are you really unable to comprehend how he can claim both "unknowingly taking PEDs" AND that Drummond was facilitating their use?
guess i'm missed that part wrote:
I thought his claim was that he "unknowingly" took PEDs. Now he's saying that he did know he was taking them, and Drummond was his supplier? This should be good.
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to Gomer
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The problem with using this as a negative is that Drummond was right [he did not jump the gun and the starter would not look at the data]. He knew that he had no chance one he left the track.
Gomer wrote:
I was in Paris at Le Stade de France for World's when Jon Drummond refused to leave the track after a dq. It went on for maybe 10 minutes.
I've never seen anything quite like it. I would be like a pitcher getting dq'e for spitballing, and stubborning sitting on the mound for ten minutes as 55,421 fans jeered and cheered.
Since the French don't have any Cossacks to enforce the rule of law, they just had to ask him in increasingly raised voice to "Sortez!".
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- "Anti-doping testing has a reputation that far exceeds its capabilities...The rate of false negatives is enormous." - in reply to wejo
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As Paul Scott, head of Scott Analytics, which provides testing services to pro cycling teams, put it: "Anti-doping testing has a reputation that far exceeds its capabilities...The rate of false negatives is enormous."
WEJO, the quote by Paul Scott should be the QOTD.
This is one of the things that bothers people about NOP's in house testing lab. They can replicate the tests and find out which athletes have the right genes to beat WADA tests 100% of the time.
There is no other reason to have an in-house testing lab unless you are actively trying to beat the system.
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to
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Drummond a hero? Really?!?! Especially if what is being relayed about him is true? He ran some good lead off legs on 4x1s and had some fast 100s but seriously a hero? What did he do that was heroic?
Xfit_guy_the_real_1 wrote:
Ratting out American heroes like Drummond is disgusting. I wish he kept his mouth shut and sucked up his ban.
Anyway, glad he is cleared and ready to compete this summer so we can focus on BIG athletes rather than SCRAWNY kenyans doing laps around the track, lol.
Somebody call up The Rock and get Drummond on season 2 of The Hero so we can see what he's made of.
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to joho
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Since when is the mafia not organized crime?
joho wrote:Moe's Tavern wrote:
No. He compared fighting doping in T&F to fighting the mafia by giving reduced sentences to informants.
Did he just compare t&f with orgnized crime?
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to Gomer
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Atlanta 100 meter final. Quite an impressive display of I am
Gomer wrote:
I was in Paris at Le Stade de France for World's when Jon Drummond refused to leave the track after a dq. It went on for maybe 10 minutes.
I've never seen anything quite like it. I would be like a pitcher getting dq'e for spitballing, and stubborning sitting on the mound for ten minutes as 55,421 fans jeered and cheered.
Since the French don't have any Cossacks to enforce the rule of law, they just had to ask him in increasingly raised voice to "Sortez!".
not leaving by Christie.
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to 96 Oly
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that list of ways to beat testing is incredibly depressing. I've already stopped watching pro sprinting and throws - do I have to give up distance too?
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to Er...
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Er... wrote:
Are you really unable to comprehend how he can claim both "unknowingly taking PEDs" AND that Drummond was facilitating their use?guess i'm missed that part wrote:
I thought his claim was that he "unknowingly" took PEDs. Now he's saying that he did know he was taking them, and Drummond was his supplier? This should be good.
Considering we JUST learned about the Drummond fact today, yes. I wish I could see the future like you.
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to wejo
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This has been happenings since the 60's and all the soveit "misinformation" about their training. Its just odd as if people pretend this doesnt happen. There is no way this problem can be solved without legalizing PED's where one Jon Drummond goes down 50 more rise in prominence.
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to agip
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yessum
agip wrote: do I have to give up distance too?
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to 26mi235
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[quote]26mi235 wrote:
The problem with using this as a negative is that Drummond was right [he did not jump the gun and the starter would not look at the data]. He knew that he had no chance one he left the track.
I actually think he was in the right. I just cited it as a distinct memory of this prominent chap.
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to Sonny Corleone
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Sonny Corleone wrote:joho wrote:
Since when is the mafia not organized crime?Moe's Tavern wrote:
No. He compared fighting doping in T&F to fighting the mafia by giving reduced sentences to informants.
Did he just compare t&f with orgnized crime?
Are you stvpid or something?
He wasn't comparing T&F to the mafia/organized crime.
He was comparing methods of fighting doping to the methods used to fight mafia/organized crime by using reduced sentences to encourage people to give information on other dopers/criminals.
When did schools quit teaching reading and critical thinking?
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- RE: David Epstein Says Tyson Gay Has Implicated Jon Drummond in Helping Him Dope - in reply to guess i missed that part
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I'll try this for you again. Gay's claim is that he thought the substance he was using, which Drummond carried and encouraged him to use, was legal. He admits to doping, but says he did so unknowingly.
So without anyone being able to see into the future, including me, Gay can indeed claim that
A. He doped unknowingly
B. Drummond encouraged/facilitated it.
since in retrospect, he realizes the significance of Drummond carrying the stuff and encouraging him to use it.
guess i missed that part wrote:
[quote]Er... wrote:
Are you really unable to comprehend how he can claim both "unknowingly taking PEDs" AND that Drummond was facilitating their use?
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Considering we JUST learned about the Drummond fact today, yes. I wish I could see the future like you.
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