Erin Finn sets American Junior Record at the Payton Jordan Invite?!!!

Don't forget Jordan Hasay!!!

I agree NEVER COUNT OUT JORDAN HASAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does Jordan's 5K PR still qualify as the American record? She may be a bit too old but she is after all so precocious and all!!!

She's not a junior (born 1994).

qwer wrote:

She's not a junior (born 1994).

This is true. Finn was born on Nov 19 1994. She will turn 20 this year. Stll a great time for her.

Finn is a junior.

The record won't count because of the arbitrary end of year date.

J.R. wrote:

Finn is a junior.

The record won't count because of the arbitrary end of year date.

setting the cut off date as june 15th or feb 21st would be arbitrary

setting it to be the end of the calendar year seems to be a reasoned choice not a capricious one

I'm given to flights of fancy wrote:

J.R. wrote:

Finn is a junior.

The record won't count because of the arbitrary end of year date.

setting the cut off date as june 15th or feb 21st would be arbitrary

setting it to be the end of the calendar year seems to be a reasoned choice not a capricious one

It is the only choice. JR, as usual, is an idiot.

The entire calendar year is the only way to decide non-scholastic records. She turns 20 this year, whether that is in January or December is irrelevant. Her mother should have waited a couple of months (born in November) for birth if she wanted this record!!

So the happy Mom and Dad Webb ask the doctor to enter their midnight New Years baby as 11:59 PM 30 Dec to get the tax deduction for the year. Years later the kid takes her axe and goes postal over missing the US Jr. record-- the tangled web we weave.

Charlotte Webb took an axe

And gave her mother forty whacks.

And when she saw what she had done

She gave her father forty-one

Why can't it just be if you are under 20. If you are 19 and 364 days it still counts. Than every athlete has until the day they turn 20 to run a JR record. That is 100% fair to every athlete. Just like the day you turn 40 you are considered a masters athlete or the day that you turn 21 you can drink alcohol.

dumb wrote:

Why can't it just be if you are under 20. If you are 19 and 364 days it still counts. Than every athlete has until the day they turn 20 to run a JR record. That is 100% fair to every athlete. Just like the day you turn 40 you are considered a masters athlete or the day that you turn 21 you can drink alcohol.

Hey dumb, maybe you are NOT dumb! Good Post

+10

You really think that this is a good rule? Having how is a junior changing every day of the year. Then you would have to keep track of everyone's birthdate continually. Also, what if an event were delayed, suddenly they would not be a junior. As it is the end of the year is a time when there are not a lot of competitions in the major part of the sport (Outdoor T&F and even XC). It is administratively far easier than anything else, and everything else is at least as arbitrary.

Of course, it is also a fool's errand to think that this is actually a topic of relevance because there is absolutely no chance that it will ever be changed. Among other things, it would disadvantage all previous competitors relative to the those competing on the new rule. Now that is a really great thing to introduce, isn't it.

Finn's birthdate of Nov 19 1994 is the reasoned choice, because that is her birthdate.

Any other choice is arbitrary and capricious.

Finn is a junior until Nov 19 2014.

The question becomes: age 19 record? Probably.