Very sad to see him run like this. He claims he's healthy so maybe it's time to quit. 46.9 is beyond bad. Clyde Hart has to see the futility in continuing this.
Very sad to see him run like this. He claims he's healthy so maybe it's time to quit. 46.9 is beyond bad. Clyde Hart has to see the futility in continuing this.
bladerunner wrote:
Very sad to see him run like this. He claims he's healthy so maybe it's time to quit. 46.9 is beyond bad. Clyde Hart has to see the futility in continuing this.
Not quite an Alan Webb. Wariner has mined Gold at the Olympics and WC's.
Hart is a jackass. He insists on JW doing slow repeats. Those slow repeats do nothing to fight Jeremy's natural loss of leg speed as he ages. But Hart is so stubborn he refuses to change things. Maybe JW should get on HGH ( among other things, like his manager MJ did, and like Merritt is doing right now ). But since JW wants to stay clean, he'll never climb back to sub 44 territory.
bladerunner wrote:
Very sad to see him run like this. He claims he's healthy so maybe it's time to quit. 46.9 is beyond bad. Clyde Hart has to see the futility in continuing this.
I agree. Personally, I don't like the guy after the way he has treated fans in the past, but even I felt sad and embarrassed for him today. He ran smooth and clean through, every stride looked the same. No hitch, no twinge, nothing. Just flat-out SLOW for the world class field.
A) Its early season
B) It was lane 1
C) he gave up the last 3 strides
All of these things probably cost him a second to a second and half.
He could still go 45 low this season which would be impressive given his past few seasons. Age has nothing to do with this performance drop off. If he was 35, then the age thing would make sense, but not at 30.
Observer of races wrote:
A) Its early season
B) It was lane 1
C) he gave up the last 3 strides
All of these things probably cost him a second to a second and half.
He could still go 45 low this season which would be impressive given his past few seasons. Age has nothing to do with this performance drop off. If he was 35, then the age thing would make sense, but not at 30.
I agree with all of your points. But is 45 low something that will be competitive in the diamond league? Also, some runners just peak early. Webb ran his best in his early twenties. From 2008 on, he was never a factor in the Olympic trials or any major race.
Wariner was not a factor in the 2012 trials and hasn't really run well since 2008. He really peaked at worlds in 2007.
I like Wariner and all, but it ain't really early season any more. Maybe his injury flared up (I think he said he had a minor injury that sometimes flares up. When he ran that 22sec 200m he said he just shut it down when he could tell he was off if I recall correctly)
He is apart from the fact that he made his peak years actually count for something.
SMJO wrote:
He is apart from the fact that he made his peak years actually count for something.
I admit my comparison is not quite accurate. My comparison was based on 2 runners who peaked early and then had years of mediocre results. When I had read Wariner claim he was finally healthy, I expected a lot more than this.
Being healthy says nothing about racing fitness.
Not sure why anyone thinks a guy who won Olympic 400-meter gold in 2004 would still be all that fast
Derartu Tulu won the '92 Olympics and did OK in 2004 as well.
45 low won't do much on the circuit I admit, but Wariner's problems are not related to 'peaking' or age.
Looking at him today he just doesn't look strong at all, muscularly OR endurance wise.
He looked healthy, still had some bounce before and during the first part of the race. Peaking at any event or age often has to do with other variables, but the primary one would be aging and Wariner didn't look like an old aged man, he still looks young.
The subject of this thread says Alan Webb, and when I look at Alan Webb and the early peaking athletes, I see aged, wrinkled, haggard, balding men in their early or mid 20's. Wariner has never had this look so far even now. Webb on the other hand did.
And he ran quite well in 2010. I think the obvious conclusion is, if Wariner can stay healthy he'll return to his previous form.
Clyde Hart is a hack, the course of JW's career proves it, steep decline as soon as he got too old to withstand the abuse.
Wariner has a chance to be like Felix Sanchez.
funny, i see 2 OG golds on this guys resume...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A9lix_S%C3%A1nchez
Wossamotta wrote:
Not sure why anyone thinks a guy who won Olympic 400-meter gold in 2004 would still be all that fast
funny, i see 2 OG golds on this guys resume...http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/dominican-republic/felix-sanchez-139840#honours
Wossamotta wrote:
Not sure why anyone thinks a guy who won Olympic 400-meter gold in 2004 would still be all that fast
Angelo Taylor has a couple as well with a few years in between.
And you know there was that 38 year old marathoner...
and Warnier started dropping off 3+ years ago, right? why the hell would a 27 yo start to lose it? even if you had a somewhat 'normal' career, 27 should be your prime/post-prime where you are still competitive.
everyone is different though, maybe JW was meant to burn bright then fade away quickly.
Wariner started to drop off when he changed coaches in 08.
Sometimes athletes think 'overhaul' and they sack their coach when in reality its not the coaching its something else. Wariner has always been really thin for his height. The 400 is still a power event. Weight training could be what's gotten him hurt, but that may be what he needs the most to get fast again.
C'mon he's 30. He's Lolo Jones age. 5 years younger than Felix Sanchez. Still 3 years younger than Johnson when he retired. He doesn't look old either. Fading away would be a waste.