“America needs to have someone come along like Alberto (Salazar), like Bill (Rodgers), maybe like me, who is a pure marathoner in a way.
if a person like this came along...what do you think the signs would be? if they are "born to run the marathon" , would they be producing lightning quick times on the track? something tells me if that person is out there, they are going to be undiscovered for a long time because they wont exactly be breaking 4 for the mile
thoughts?
After 60 you get a little bit of dementia
so you think that person WILL be breaking 4? I think this could be an interesting discussion, I mean sometimes you think someone amazing in high school like Alan Webb might be that guy, then sometimes you think maybe its someone with a TON of natural endurance and improvement ability but not a lot of speed
My buddy met Frank in East Lansing and called him a bone rack.
It's B.S. Frank was a 10,000 runner before he ran the
marathon.
And his training model influenced me more than Rodgers or
Salazar.
whys that
fred wrote:
My buddy met Frank in East Lansing and called him a bone rack.
What is a bone rack?
Curious___George wrote:
“America needs to have someone come along like Alberto (Salazar), like Bill (Rodgers), maybe like me, who is a pure marathoner in a way.
if a person like this came along...what do you think the signs would be? if they are "born to run the marathon" , would they be producing lightning quick times on the track? something tells me if that person is out there, they are going to be undiscovered for a long time because they wont exactly be breaking 4 for the mile
thoughts?
A lot of the guys moving up in the U.S. have broken 4 at
some point in their career.
yeah but Frank seems to be talking about someone built just for the marathon
Shorter was no more of a pure marathoner than any other top US guy.
No person without sub four capability is going to be a fast marathon guy these days.
SMJO wrote:
Shorter was no more of a pure marathoner than any other top US guy.
No person without sub four capability is going to be a fast marathon guy these days.
True, but sub 4 capability these days doesn't automatically mean you are a miler.
Here's Frank "racing" a 2 mile:
ok lets forget my sub 4 comment lol, Im just trying to say maybe this person built for the marathon has track times very slow in proportion to his abilities over longer distances and efforts. like a guy whos half marathon pace is abnormally close to his 10k pace
They all have speed. You need 4 minute mile capability in
order to hit 4:40 to 4:55 in blocks of training.
Coolsaet did a workout of 5 times a mile @ 4:25 before his
last marathon. You can't hit the workout times without the
sub 4 mile speed, and if you don't hit the training paces,
you don't run 2:06 to 2:11.
It's all correlated.
What's Hall running right now? Workout blocks of 4:50 pace
@ 9000 feet. And he lived much of his life at altitude.
I think that's more important for the next natural marathoner. The sub 4 mile speed is a given.
We'll have the usual guys coming on and claiming that there will be guys that can only run 4:10 but have the capability of running 26.2 at a not much slower pace.
K55 wrote:
SMJO wrote:No person without sub four capability is going to be a fast marathon guy these days.
What?
Every top marathoner today is capable of running a sub 4 minute mile
No person without sub four capability is going to be a fast marathon guy these days = Every top marathoner today is capable of running a sub 4 minute mile
Based on some of his incredible works of art (ie the 5th of May) I feel Goya would have been a great 1500/5k guy had he chosen to pursue running instead of art. But he was still good at art.
K55 wrote:
[quote]SMJO wrote:
What?
Every top marathoner today is capable of running a sub 4 minute mile
And they are all Kenyan or Ethiopian
Randy Oldman wrote:
K55 wrote:What?
Every top marathoner today is capable of running a sub 4 minute mile
No person without sub four capability is going to be a fast marathon guy these days = Every top marathoner today is capable of running a sub 4 minute mile
I would bet that many good Japanese marathoners could not run a 4:00 mile.
Fast, not good.