Caleb Ndiku on Lagat: "I simply used Lagat’s tactics to beat him. I like Lagat. He is a friendly guy."

Well...except for the part where Lagat doesn't lead until the final 200...lol

"I like Lagat. He is a friendly guy."

Nobody has ever said about to me. :(

I'M FRIENDLY TOO, YOU MORANS!!!

you have to realise bernie is a hero/mentor to his homeboyz even if he is a bennie arnold to kenyan public

i've seen asbel clasp his hand bro-style after losing to bernie some years ago & that told us a lot

the kenyan runners idolise bernie

bernie is living the american dream for the kenyan boyz :

win some golds/fast times, then go get US citezenship

no cattle rustlers, no bandits on the roads, mo malaria, little HIV, no hungry 600 pound simbas lurking around in your back yard when you go out for a p!ss at night

bernie the man !

in addition it worth following bernie's example from performance view

canova has stated that if asbel was in sal camp

( meaning solid weight-training/nutriotinst/physiologist/physio/medical/blood test monitoring/etc he wouda been running 3'25+ by now )

ventolin^3 wrote:

in addition it worth following bernie's example from performance view

canova has stated that if asbel was in sal camp

( meaning solid weight-training/nutriotinst/physiologist/physio/medical/blood test monitoring/etc he wouda been running 3'25+ by now )

Because the traditional training that Kenyans do is so substandard. Right.

no

basic hard running + genetics = damn good clockings

however, if you don't think rudy/asbel coud benefit from a good weights coach/state-of-the-art gym & put on 5 or 10 lb of useful, propulsive muscle in right places, then you are mistaken

if rudy had been with sal, i'd expected him to have been at least 1/2s faster in london

as for asbel, canova has gone on record he woud be into 3'25s

Have you even seen Rocky IV?

within 1 day of open

the 5'9/180 chump outlasting then ko'ing that 6'5/240 monsta

reminds me lot about what the real rocky said about sonny in ~ '58

"his jab doesn't look as hard as louis but it's faster ( notwithstanding louis was 200 in his prime & sonny was 210+ with the shoulders of a rhinoceros-bull )

his footwork isn't as good as jersey joe's ( albeit he was 195/200 ) but it's good

his body-punching isn't as accurate as ezzard's ( weighed 180 ! )

his left hook...

( after all of above "deficiencies", rocky was asked the below )

do i wan't to come outta retirement to fight him ???

NO !!!"

from :

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sonny-Boy-Life-Strife-Liston/dp/0413664007/ref=sr_1_10?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1395613815&sr=1-10&keywords=sonny+liston

( brackets are my own info insertion to offer perspective to statements )

ventolin^3 wrote:

no

basic hard running + genetics = damn good clockings

however, if you don't think rudy/asbel coud benefit from a good weights coach/state-of-the-art gym & put on 5 or 10 lb of useful, propulsive muscle in right places, then you are mistaken

if rudy had been with sal, i'd expected him to have been at least 1/2s faster in london

as for asbel, canova has gone on record he woud be into 3'25s

When Salazar produces a runner that actually runs fast times and doesn't rely on sit and kicking to win, then you may have a point. Until then YOU are mistaken.

worth noting that the young foreman, soon after winning gold in '68 got to spar with an ole, outta-shape sonny & hit him with his sunday-best right hand

account was : sonny said

"that all you got nigga"

foreman left the camp straight-away & never wanted any part of sonny again

sminto wrote:When Salazar produces a runner that actually runs fast times and doesn't rely on sit and kicking to win, then you may have a point. Until then YOU are mistaken.

if that is beaten for stoopidest POY, then i'd be incredulous !!!

what part of 3'28 off 5k/10k training you miss ???

ventolin^3 wrote:

sminto wrote:When Salazar produces a runner that actually runs fast times and doesn't rely on sit and kicking to win, then you may have a point. Until then YOU are mistaken.

if that is beaten for stoopidest POY, then i'd be incredulous !!!

what part of 3'28 off 5k/10k training you miss ???

ventolin^3 wrote:

sminto wrote:When Salazar produces a runner that actually runs fast times and doesn't rely on sit and kicking to win, then you may have a point. Until then YOU are mistaken.

if that is beaten for stoopidest POY, then i'd be incredulous !!!

what part of 3'28 off 5k/10k training you miss ???

Salazar did not produce Farah. Farah was already well under 13 and a speedy guy before he ever went to Salazar. Exactly how do you know he was doing 5k/10k training when he ran 3:28?

ventoIin^4 wrote:Have you even seen Rocky IV?

another interesting quote was from reg gutteridge's book which i read ~ 35y ago

( outta print now, but reg was foremost british ( probably european ) boxing commentator of last 1/2 of 20th century )

he sat ringside, next to rocky at a sonny fight & asked rocky if he wouda wanted to been in the ring with sonny in his own prime over decade+ earlier

rocky's answer was a resounding

"NO !!!"

sminto wrote:Salazar did not produce Farah

no

but he had a 27'28pb before joining sal & ran 26'46 very soon after

‘He was the weakest athlete I’d ever trained — in terms of core strength and being able to do push-ups, sit-ups and single-leg squats. He was a 90lb weakling.

‘The No 1 thing that has helped Mo is not the 110 miles a week he puts in on the road, but the seven hours a fortnight in the gym.’

Farah was already well under 13 and a speedy guy before he ever went to Salazar

he faded badly in a 12'57pb before sal

he ran 54+ in a 12'53 after joining him

Exactly how do you know he was doing 5k/10k training when he ran 3:28?

because of incredible supposition he ran 5k/10k in moscow after & not 1500...???!!!

Exactly. You have no idea what kind of training he was doing to run that 3:28. He was training for speed, he was not training for 5k/10k shape. Just admit you are wrong. Seriously, if 5k/10k training takes 4-5 seconds off of a 1500m time, but doesn't improve half marathon time, then it's obviously not really 5k/10k training. Especially if the time period is around a world championship. Those races are almost always about kicks not endurance. Again, just admit that you are wrong.

No, you are being dishonest about Farah's improvements. He chopped off lots of time from his 10000m time in 2009-2010 without Salazar. He ran his 27:28 all alone. The gap to second was something like 50 seconds. Obviously he was good for much faster. He isn't the type who can run without rabbits.

Sure, he ran 12:57 fading. Doesn't necessarily mean he was that much slower than 12:53 with a 54. The fact alone that he was fading means he could have run faster with better pacing. That's what fading means. Exactly what were the splits in that 12:57 race? One of them was obviously fast or at least too fast for Farah at the time.

Brah, you're sounding like an idiot. Just give it up. As much as I'd like to deny it too....it's the truth. Please just stop already.

Stevenson wrote:

Brah, you're sounding like an idiot. Just give it up. As much as I'd like to deny it too....it's the truth. Please just stop already.

Nowhere did I say that I'd like to deny it. I don't even know what 'it' is referring to.

he was doing 5k/10k training

where was his moscow 1500 ???

you are completely clueless

if you think sal didn't remember '03 with 14+ / < 13

or '09 where tadesse got within coupla meters of "breaking" kennster at ~ 7k/8k where he got near 10m lead

( tadesse looked in 26'15/26'20 shape if that had been paced race )

drivel

call it 27-low at best with wabbits

it's NOT 26'46 with few 68's thrown in early

drivel

he was running against euros

drivel

26'46

or even 3'28 where he had no wabbit for him, but ran in a vacuum behind asbel

he ran that 3'28 essentially solo until last lap where caleb overtook him for ~ 200m

utter drivel

12'57 with something like 60+ is NOT close to 12'53 with 54+

it was usual rubbish 5k pacing on circuit, nothing better/worse

no

nothing much different in either race to 4k

in pre-sal he ran 12'57 fading badly on last lap

with-sal he ran 12'53 with 54+ finish with wind-up from 600 out

get a clue...