Why lawai, why?

Who?

What difference did leading from the start make?

dafuq happened? I didn't see the race and want to know.

How in the world does Lawi, with a 13:00 5k pr lose to Eddy and his 13:40 5k pr. This doesn't make an ounce of sense to me. And how in the world did Eddy improve so much this year? Was his training in HS terrible and he just did everything off of talent then? I recall him saying he did 40-50 mpw his junior year

Last says cuz I'm unbeatable

NotAustin18 wrote:

dafuq happened? I didn't see the race and want to know.

How in the world does Lawi, with a 13:00 5k pr lose to Eddy and his 13:40 5k pr. This doesn't make an ounce of sense to me. And how in the world did Eddy improve so much this year? Was his training in HS terrible and he just did everything off of talent then? I recall him saying he did 40-50 mpw his junior year

Well I didn't think Ches would win either, but there are a couple things:

1. Lawi had a mile prelim not long before, and Mac Fleet made it fast (4:02 or something)

2. 13:40 PR my @$$, the guy won NCAA XC so he is obviously faster than that

HardLoper wrote:

NotAustin18 wrote:

dafuq happened? I didn't see the race and want to know.

How in the world does Lawi, with a 13:00 5k pr lose to Eddy and his 13:40 5k pr. This doesn't make an ounce of sense to me. And how in the world did Eddy improve so much this year? Was his training in HS terrible and he just did everything off of talent then? I recall him saying he did 40-50 mpw his junior year

Well I didn't think Ches would win either, but there are a couple things:

1. Lawi had a mile prelim not long before, and Mac Fleet made it fast (4:02 or something)

2. 13:40 PR my @$$, the guy won NCAA XC so he is obviously faster than that

1. I know he had a mile prelim but with a 13:00 PR he should still be able to come back and win easily in the 5k. I think he might be out of shape or something.

2. 13:40 yeah, but I too think he can run faster than that. I heard that the altitude conversion is 20 sec for 5k so his 1346 is equal to sub 1330.

3. How has Edward improved so much this year? It's just confusing to me. I still remember him as his HS fitness not this, so it's weird to me.

NotAustin18 wrote:

3. How has Edward improved so much this year? It's just confusing to me. I still remember him as his HS fitness not this, so it's weird to me.

Couple things. One, he plateaued in high school and has broken through that next barrier. Two, he was under-trained in high school. The fact that he didn't break 4 in high school, even for a guy who is more distance oriented, is baffling. One of the most talented runners to ever line up in an American high school race, and that talent is obviously manifesting itself at the next level.

Cheserek ran 1:49.x to under 14 flat for 5K indoors with a 4:02 and an 8:39

He also lost a few pounds and looks incredibly fit, has better coaching and training partners. When you already have sub 1:50 wheels and can run under 14 flat in HS, something major is going to happen, unless he got injured or uninterested.

He raced waaay too much in HS and went out way too fast in relay runs chasing to really run that fast, he probably ran under 4:10 as many times as I can possibly remember for a NJ guy.

Remember how good German(3:55, 7:47 and 13:25) was as a true frosh? and he was no where near the XC runner Ches is.

Cheserek peaked well and is better than anyone thought he would be. And his team mate forced Lalang to burn a lot of energy in an earlier prelim.

Team tactics. Unlike those pussies at the Olympics who decided to give the gold to Farah and battle each other for silver. If two guys had worked together to push 65 second laps from the start (or better yet at the end of lap 2 when Farah jogged over to the water table to grab a cup, a break then might have opened 50 meters on him), Farah might have been beaten. But no, let's concede gold and fight for silver.

Team tactics? Oregon team mates?

Lalang led almost whole prelim except last bit.

No one made him do anything

Lalang was in front past 1410 M

Split Intermediate Leader Time Fastest Split Time

209m Lawi Lalang 0:33.10 Lawi Lalang 0:33.10

409m Lawi Lalang 1:04.18 Elmar Engholm 0:31.06

609m Lawi Lalang 1:34.17 Elmar Engholm 0:29.96

809m Lawi Lalang 2:04.53 Matt Hillenbrand 0:30.30

1009m Lawi Lalang 2:34.71 Sam Penzenstadler 0:29.97

1209m Lawi Lalang 3:04.73 Sam Penzenstadler 0:29.93

1409m Lawi Lalang 3:35.01 Mac Fleet 0:29.54

staterof theoblivious wrote:

Cheserek peaked well and is better than anyone thought he would be. And his team mate forced Lalang to burn a lot of energy in an earlier prelim.

Team tactics. Unlike those pussies at the Olympics who decided to give the gold to Farah and battle each other for silver. If two guys had worked together to push 65 second laps from the start (or better yet at the end of lap 2 when Farah jogged over to the water table to grab a cup, a break then might have opened 50 meters on him), Farah might have been beaten. But no, let's concede gold and fight for silver.

Actually Fleet didn't cause Lawi to do anything. I missed the mile prelims live, but watched the ESPN3 replay, thinking, as others had posted and contended that Fleet led that mile prelim/heat...nothing of the sort happened, LAWI LED THAT RACE TOO AND PUSHED THE PACE, Fleet didn't lead until the last meter, and in fact ran from the back almost the entire race.

Lawi and his coach really didn't get his strategy together for both of those races.