Over this winter Mo has been building what seems to be a very impressive base with great endurance for the marathon.
Could it be possible for him to maintain some of this endurance throughout the summer combined with more speed work later on to have a go at Bekele's 26:17 WR?
Wouldn't have thought it was possible until he ran his 3:27. Mo went from 'barely able to make a final' to 'best in the world.'
I don't think he's got a shot at it... 26:17 is out of his range... but I didn't think mo could go under 3:28 either...
InjuryProneRunner wrote:
Over this winter Mo has been building what seems to be a very impressive base with great endurance for the marathon.
Could it be possible for him to maintain some of this endurance throughout the summer combined with more speed work later on to have a go at Bekele's 26:17 WR?
I was wondering this earlier today reading the thread about Mo at WR pace for the marathon. I don't know if he could break 26:17, but if he can't, I don't see him at all able to run 2:03 in London.
rtfgrtf wrote:
Wouldn't have thought it was possible until he ran his 3:27. Mo went from 'barely able to make a final' to 'best in the world.'
then someone just as dumb wrote:I don't think he's got a shot at it... 26:17 is out of his range... but I didn't think mo could go under 3:28 either...
He didn't. Missed it by .82 seconds.
All this talk of Mo Farah and world records is ridiculous. 2.81 seconds off the WR in the 1500 is an eternity, 1.36% slower, equivalent to a 12:47 or a 26:37. Very good but not a record threat, and Farah has yet to actually approach that level in anything but 1500, nor is he training to. If he thought he could, he would have tried. Switching to marathons means he's given up on the idea if he ever even entertained it at all.
rtfgrtf wrote:
Wouldn't have thought it was possible until he ran his 3:27. Mo went from 'barely able to make a final' to 'best in the world.'
What 3:27?
rtfgrtf wrote:
Wouldn't have thought it was possible until he ran his 3:27. Mo went from 'barely able to make a final' to 'best in the world.'
He didn't do much. What really happened is the best in the world left his events (moved to roads, injuries, etc).
I don't know. But it seems plausible. Moreover its an offseason from major championships. What else is he going to do? Why not give it a try? Do it at Hayward the evening before the Prefontaine meet. Get a packed house with Rupp and Ritz pacing.
InjuryProneRunner wrote:
Over this winter Mo has been building what seems to be a very impressive base with great endurance for the marathon.
Could it be possible for him to maintain some of this endurance throughout the summer combined with more speed work later on to have a go at Bekele's 26:17 WR?
Chuck Burry wrote:
What 3:27?
Leave it to the lets run crowd to jump up and down if you're off by .82. Ok, so he ran 3:28.81 - still faster than both Bekele, Geb, and Komen.
my vote is that farah can take down the 10k record.
it really is about time both rupp and farah got their PR's down to where they should be....
again it is simple, the 1500m time and the 10k gold says it all. the speed, the range.
for sure moe could go 12:40 or better in the 5k, he's got to be 5 seconds better than anyone else - over the last few years. the way he cruises around the track, i'm not seeing real problems with moe averaging 13:05 for each 5k, that is with 2 or 3 good pacers. but where are you going to get the pacers?
maybe the best thing to do is have levins and a couple of american dudes take them to 5-6k, hire a couple of africans to take it to 8k, and have moe and rupp alternate laps and may the best man win at that point.
i think this solution would be acceptable to all.
that would be something to see, a real race and a real record attempt all in one.
rtfgrtf wrote:
Leave it to the lets run crowd to jump up and down if you're off by .82. Ok, so he ran 3:28.81 - still faster than both Bekele, Geb, and Komen.
That's not a very accurate statement. Geb and Bekele didn't have perfect pacing on an outdoor track. Their times are comparable to his. Does anyone know what Komen's pacing was like?
oodk wrote:
He didn't do much. What really happened is the best in the world left his events (moved to roads, injuries, etc).
That's not true. He made a significant improvement. The jump from 3:38 to 3:33 for a non-specialist at the age of 26 is one thing, going from 3:33 to 3:28 at the age of 30 is unprecedented. You're right that the competition hasn't been as great since 2009 in the 10,000, but Farah has made an incredible (in every sense of the word) improvement at the same time.
2003 (age 20) 3:43.17 Eton 14 JUN
2005 (age 22) 3:38.62 Zürich 19 AUG
2006 (age 23) 3:38.02 Rieti 27 AUG
2007 (age 24) 3:46.50 Birmingham, GBR 07 JUL
2008 (age 25) 3:39.66 Birmingham, GBR 13 JUL
2009 (age 26) 3:33.98 Monaco 28 JUL
2012 (age 29) 3:34.66 Los Angeles (OC), CA 18 MAY
2013 (age 30!) 3:28.81 Monaco 19 JUL
At 5000 he improved a lot in 2010. Then he improved a lot over 10000
Abso, totally, lutly. Sub 26 is easy as taking TUE1 + TUE2 + TUE3 + a Xenon-boost in the altitude tent.
InjuryProneRunner wrote:
Over this winter Mo has been building what seems to be a very impressive base with great endurance for the marathon.
Could it be possible for him to maintain some of this endurance throughout the summer combined with more speed work later on to have a go at Bekele's 26:17 WR?
I think he is more likely to break the 5000m record. He may be too quick for a good marathon or a WR 10,000m
ming ding xiong wrote:
oodk wrote:He didn't do much. What really happened is the best in the world left his events (moved to roads, injuries, etc).
That's not true. He made a significant improvement. The jump from 3:38 to 3:33 for a non-specialist at the age of 26 is one thing, going from 3:33 to 3:28 at the age of 30 is unprecedented. You're right that the competition hasn't been as great since 2009 in the 10,000, but Farah has made an incredible (in every sense of the word) improvement at the same time.
2003 (age 20) 3:43.17 Eton 14 JUN
2005 (age 22) 3:38.62 Zürich 19 AUG
2006 (age 23) 3:38.02 Rieti 27 AUG
2007 (age 24) 3:46.50 Birmingham, GBR 07 JUL
2008 (age 25) 3:39.66 Birmingham, GBR 13 JUL
2009 (age 26) 3:33.98 Monaco 28 JUL
2012 (age 29) 3:34.66 Los Angeles (OC), CA 18 MAY
2013 (age 30!) 3:28.81 Monaco 19 JUL
No, what I said IS true. I was obviously not talking about the 1500. I was talking about the 5k/10k. The events that he regularly competes in.
oodk wrote:
ming ding xiong wrote:That's not true. He made a significant improvement. The jump from 3:38 to 3:33 for a non-specialist at the age of 26 is one thing, going from 3:33 to 3:28 at the age of 30 is unprecedented. You're right that the competition hasn't been as great since 2009 in the 10,000, but Farah has made an incredible (in every sense of the word) improvement at the same time.
2003 (age 20) 3:43.17 Eton 14 JUN
2005 (age 22) 3:38.62 Zürich 19 AUG
2006 (age 23) 3:38.02 Rieti 27 AUG
2007 (age 24) 3:46.50 Birmingham, GBR 07 JUL
2008 (age 25) 3:39.66 Birmingham, GBR 13 JUL
2009 (age 26) 3:33.98 Monaco 28 JUL
2012 (age 29) 3:34.66 Los Angeles (OC), CA 18 MAY
2013 (age 30!) 3:28.81 Monaco 19 JUL
No, what I said IS true. I was obviously not talking about the 1500. I was talking about the 5k/10k. The events that he regularly competes in.
The 5k is the most competitive its ever been. Remember in 2012 when 6 people broke 12:50?
oodk wrote:
That's not a very accurate statement. Geb and Bekele didn't have perfect pacing on an outdoor track. Their times are comparable to his. Does anyone know what Komen's pacing was like?
Saying Mo has a faster 1500 than Geb, Bekele, and Komen is "not a very accurate statement"?
rtfgrtf wrote:
oodk wrote:That's not a very accurate statement. Geb and Bekele didn't have perfect pacing on an outdoor track. Their times are comparable to his. Does anyone know what Komen's pacing was like?
Saying Mo has a faster 1500 than Geb, Bekele, and Komen is "not a very accurate statement"?
Yes. If you bothered to read the rest of the post which you even quoted, then you would understand.
TAA wrote:
The 5k is the most competitive its ever been. Remember in 2012 when 6 people broke 12:50?
No, it's not. Sure, these guys have fast PRs, but they haven't been in that form since that race and they have no racing skills (they keep using the same sit and kick tactic against a 3:28 1500m runner in slow races. They are idiots).