What do you guys think?
What do you guys think?
I'm pretty certain Rudisha could break 4:00, so I guess 1:40.91.
51(w/running start)/1:51
I'd say 1:52 800 as the minimum
1500 in 3.42.00 is worth 1080 points according to Hungarian table
That's the same as 1.48.16 on 800
mile in 4.00 is worth 1075 points
That's the same as 1.48.33
So, if you best distance is 1500/mile, you should be close to those 800m times.
I think sub 1.50 on 800 is minimum
Do you guys know the difference between maximum and minimum?
Sub 1:50 is the minimum level to to break 4:00/3:42, I think. What's wrong with that?
To the guy talking about IAAF tables, 1:48 is equivalent to sub-4 in the mile. Another way of stating that is that it is equally impressive for an 800m runner to run 1:48 as it is for a miler to break 4:00.
You would not expect a 1:48 800m specialist to break 4:00 or a 4:00 mile specialist to run 1:48. If they could, they are probably in the wrong event or more "broadly specialized", able to run equally well in two events that utilize relatively different energy systems.
The absolute minimum is obviously 1:59.99 for 880 yards. If a theoretical individual had absolutely no speed deterioration he could break 4-minutes with a sub-2 880 PR. Note that this is purely theoretical, as no one actually has zero speed deterioration. We all get slower as the distance gets longer, although some of us get much slower than others.
From personal experience, I ran 4:02 off of a 1:51.5 PR while being abysmal at the longer distances (14:38 5000m PR). This obviously doesn't fulfill the sub-4 criteria, but does suggest that a 5000m specialist with 1:51 speed could certainly break 4:00.
I did run with a number of sub-4 guys (3:58-4:00), who had 800m PRs of 1:49, 1:50, 1:49, and 1:50. These don't help much because we were all 1500m specialists who were mostly better at 800m than 5000m.
I'd hazard a bet that there are a few guys floating around who can break 4:00 with 1:55.0 absolute 800m ability. They could probably also run a pretty cracking 5k. It wouldn't shock me if some sub-4 distance guys had slower 800m PRs, either.
Most sub-4 guys who are actual middle distance runners can usually also run sub-1:50 in the 800. However, there are a lot of LD types who have broken sub-4 who don't have an 800 on record. I would guess they could at least run 1:53 or perhaps even faster if they did some 800 specific training, but I would not be surprised if they could only run 1:55 while training for a marathon or 10K.
It depends on what type of athlete you are. Joaquim Cruz ran 1:41 but only 3:36, I believe, which is quite a bit different that what Coe ran on close to the same 800 time. People coming from the endurance side (Farah) need less 800 capability but faster distance times than people coming from the 800 side (Kiprop).
The generally considered "average" is 1:50-52, but YMMV.
What I would say as a coach is don't fall for general rules. Know what your strength is, even if that means going to track meets and racing both 400/800 and 3000/5000. Emphasize your strength in the main season and work on your weakness in the offseason.
I believe Eamonn Coghlan ran 1:55 just a couple weeks before running 3:58 indoors.
I've split 49.3 and run 1:49.low open. I've also run 8:38 for 3000, 24:40 for 8000m and have dipped under 31 for a cross 10k.
I've previously gone sub 3:50 in the 1500 but that was 3 years ago and was solely training for the 15. I wound up running the 400 and 800 pr's last year focusing on the 800 only.
@all
Some of you talk about guys with 800m PR of X that run Y in 1500/mile. These are exceptions. If you are a specialist on the 1500/mile you can't have a really weak 800m.
(Now I do the same as you--->)
I know guys who run sub 1:50 and didn't come close to 3:42. I don't know guys who run 1:50+ and sub 3:42 on 1500m.
Well, you'd at least need to break 2:00. Other than that it doesn't matter. Just run two sub 2:00s and you've got it.
TrackCoach wrote:
Most sub-4 guys who are actual middle distance runners can usually also run sub-1:50 in the 800. However, there are a lot of LD types who have broken sub-4 who don't have an 800 on record. I would guess they could at least run 1:53 or perhaps even faster if they did some 800 specific training, but I would not be surprised if they could only run 1:55 while training for a marathon or 10K.
This is what I was thinking. The problem is long distance guys who can go sub 4 are likely never going to race an 800 (the mile is the short end of their range, and even then they are probably much better comparatively at the longer stuff), so all the "You need to run ~1:50 or less" talk is based on people who are middle distance runners and race the 800 at least semi-often.
I would be hard pressed to see anyone that isn't at least capable of 1:54-1:55 (even if they don't actually run it) breaking 4.
i'm pretty sure its 1:59.99
HansfromHolland wrote:
1500 in 3.42.00 is worth 1080 points according to Hungarian table
That's the same as 1.48.16 on 800
mile in 4.00 is worth 1075 points
That's the same as 1.48.33
So, if you best distance is 1500/mile, you should be close to those 800m times.
I think sub 1.50 on 800 is minimum
Yeah but it depends what sort of runner you are.
For example a sprinter type might need an 800 of 1.47 to run a 3.42 1500, whereas a distance type might only need 1.51.
I find the distance types can run a 1500 in about double their 800 time. The speed type need a faster 800 - say double + 5-10 seconds for their 1500 time. Double for Rudisha would be 3.21 for 1500, so as a 400/800 type he'd be up in that double + 8-10 second range.
John Landy never broke 1:50 (1:51.3) and broke 4min (3:41.8 and 3:58.0)
So, there are exceptions either way, but probably low 1:50s.
love2train wrote:
i'm pretty sure its 1:59.99
Nice try, but more like 1:59.3. Gotta factor in the extra 9.344 meters.