1 NDIKU, Caleb Mwangangi KEN 7:36.27
2 CHOGE, Augustine Kiprono KEN 7:37.76
3 ALAMIREW, Yenew ETH 7:38.18
4 LAGAT, Bernard USA 7:38.51
5 SOI, Edwin KEN 7:47.25
6 GABIUS, Arne GER 7:54.68
7 KIPRUTO, Conseslus KEN 8:12.19
bummer for kipruto (steepler), wouldve been cool to see him run a fast 3k
but 4th place for lagat? i know that he was racing the world's best, but still...
by the way, they split 2:31.6 and 5:04.2 for 1k, 2k. no idea if that was a pacer or the whole group together
His finish isn't nearly as sharp these days, but I imagine he'll still be ready when it counts.
It is still early in the season for these guys.
Lagat races himself into shape like a number of (original) Africans. So he went from 7:49 in Glasgow to 7:38 in Karlsruhe, which is pretty impressive improvement, but still 4 seconds behind what Rupp ran on an arguably significantly faster track.
Looks like "Daddy can still kick" time is coming.
coach d wrote:
Lagat races himself into shape like a number of (original) Africans. So he went from 7:49 in Glasgow to 7:38 in Karlsruhe, which is pretty impressive improvement, but still 4 seconds behind what Rupp ran on an arguably significantly faster track.
Looks like "Daddy can still kick" time is coming.
He can still kick for 4th place is a slow 7:38 race. Yawn.
Galen is tearing it up and is going to break lagat's american indoor mile record and possibly el g's world record.
wink wink wrote:
coach d wrote:Lagat races himself into shape like a number of (original) Africans. So he went from 7:49 in Glasgow to 7:38 in Karlsruhe, which is pretty impressive improvement, but still 4 seconds behind what Rupp ran on an arguably significantly faster track.
Looks like "Daddy can still kick" time is coming.
He can still kick for 4th place is a slow 7:38 race. Yawn.
Galen is tearing it up and is going to break lagat's american indoor mile record and possibly el g's world record.
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coach d wrote:
Lagat races himself into shape like a number of (original) Africans. So he went from 7:49 in Glasgow to 7:38 in Karlsruhe, which is pretty impressive improvement, but still 4 seconds behind what Rupp ran on an arguably significantly faster track.
Looks like "Daddy can still kick" time is coming.
Not sure how you got 4seconds behind Rupp. Rupp's race is worth at least 7:30 or 7:31, and we all know he ran a race that was a little too aggressive for him.
I'm pretty confident Rupp will be too strong for Lagat at this point. If Lagat pops 7:30 or something he might be in game, but Rupp certainly appears to be the better miler than Lagat and also has superior fitness at 3k unless Lagat really rounds in to form.
Only way I see Lagat winning is if he is just way in Rupp's head.
The IAAF lists Rupp at 7:34 and Lagat at 7:38...and you don't know how hard Lagat pushed to finish 4th. Lagat's first race made me wonder if age was finally catching up, but now it's getting interesting (again).
You don't win championships by beating up on low level college athletes. And to the extent that Rupp's times are due to the claimed superfast track at BU (there certainly are no sprint times to compare with UW, NAU, or Air Force), he won't have that in Albuquerque.
i doubt lagat's 7:49 went out in 2:31/5:04. anybody have video or splits from that race?
james naismith li wrote:
wink wink wrote:He can still kick for 4th place is a slow 7:38 race. Yawn.
Galen is tearing it up and is going to break lagat's american indoor mile record and possibly el g's world record.
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what have you done lately
galen - 2 for 2 american records, world leading times
lagat - 4th place in slow race
advantage: galen
coach d wrote:
The IAAF lists Rupp at 7:34 and Lagat at 7:38...and you don't know how hard Lagat pushed to finish 4th. Lagat's first race made me wonder if age was finally catching up, but now it's getting interesting (again).
You don't win championships by beating up on low level college athletes. And to the extent that Rupp's times are due to the claimed superfast track at BU (there certainly are no sprint times to compare with UW, NAU, or Air Force), he won't have that in Albuquerque.
As far as the bolded, that's gotta be 3k split of his 2M; which is worth better.
I do agree that it is getting interesting again, and was certainly a little apprehensive when I first heard the result, though admitedly I didn't watch or hear much about the race to know if Lagat was against an easier field and just jogged with a kick.
Good point about the surfaces, Rupp has obviously been picking great tracks to chase the records on.
Definitely curious to see how Rupp runs in the Mile, and how Lagat looks in his next race or two. I still think I'll be favoring Rupp though. His record against Lagat is indeed abysmal, but he had that great last 400 win against him in the 2012 trials. I somewhat excuse the loss in the 5000 as Rupp was doubling back. Kinda do the same with 2013 (unless he lost indoors to Lagat) as Rupp was clearly not as good as 2012 or his 2013i portion and Salazar has said he let Rupp's mileage get far too low.
It's possible I'm being too much of a Rupp apologist, but I really saw that trials race as a changing of order and coronation of Rupp as a true world contender. He has that way in 2012 after that point, and appeared to be that way in 2013 through indoor, than Salazar made some mistakes. I think the Rupp now is a notch above the 2012 trial/olympic one.
In other words, I'm feeling edge on Rupp slightly, something like 55:45.
LM wrote:
Not sure how you got 4seconds behind Rupp. Rupp's race is worth at least 7:30 or 7:31, and we all know he ran a race that was a little too aggressive for him.
I'm pretty confident Rupp will be too strong for Lagat at this point. If Lagat pops 7:30 or something he might be in game, but Rupp certainly appears to be the better miler than Lagat and also has superior fitness at 3k unless Lagat really rounds in to form.
Only way I see Lagat winning is if he is just way in Rupp's head.
Have you people ever run competitively (at whatever level)?
Are you familiar with the sport of middle/long-distance running?
Do you realize that not all races have to be fast?
Do you realize that assessing someone's fitness from a race result is totally random?
What if the race had gone out at 5:18 for 2km and Lagat had finished with a 2:20 last km and 53 last 400m?
"Ohhh... he ran 7:38... Rupp is in so much better shape... ewwwwww."
Why do I even bother?
Lagat looked rusty - he is rounding nicely into shape though.
he will be ready to go 7:30 and I think he will easily drop
Galen Rupp. GR is currently a time trialer, but has no kick
in a slow race. Either way, Alamirew is going to win.
He needs to up his mileage
Rupp's probably the best kicker in the field, as proven in London.
Hate to be Captain Obvious, but clearly a pack of these
and Bernard wins once again. Unless of course Galen wears one too.
Do they make em in Bernard's "color"?
coach d wrote:
Lagat races himself into shape like a number of (original) Africans. So he went from 7:49 in Glasgow to 7:38 in Karlsruhe, which is pretty impressive improvement, but still 4 seconds behind what Rupp ran on an arguably significantly faster track.
Looks like "Daddy can still kick" time is coming.
That's not huge improvement...the race was just faster.
The key thing that people need to remember is Lagat is a racer. Galen has as a Silver. Lagat has multiple INDOOR 3k GOLDS, outdoor golds, silver, and bronzes. Championship racing is about position and kick and Lagat has proven he has what it takes. He is a great tactician. I would take a 7:38 Lagat in a kickers race over a 7:34 Rupp.
Say Rupp does run 3:48 in Boston, where does he go from there? How does he hold this peak of his career through USA's and World's? Lagat on the other hand is setting his season up to perform when it matters and that is USA's and World's. Remember when webb ran 3:46, he was in peak form and worthless by the time world's showed up. Its impossible it hold a peak at that level for that long. And a time trial type race doesn't indicate kicking speed or ability to put yourself in good position.
In the end Lagat will be better prepared and set his season up well to perform best at USA's and World's.
RUPP= Faster SB's and Records
LAGAT= Race savvy and world indoor medalist
I would rather have the records because thats what gets you paid and name recognition but, Lagat will be the better race in the end.
To be fair, Geb got the world indoor record in Feb 99 and then came back to win the 3k and 1500 at world indoors. Geb and Bekele ran sub 26:30s (or WRs) in May and June and did fine at the world champs and olympics two months later. Holding form one month is not that big of a deal if done right.
As much as I like Lagat, Rupp just seems like he is in monster form and on the upslope on his career, and I am not sure if Lagat will be or cares to be by the times USAs or World Indoors comes up. If kicking is an issue, then Rupp has the recent PRs to outrun him gun to tape.
Rupp is only the best kicker it seems because he's the best doper also! Rupp is a joke folks.. I guess nobody cares that he dropped his INDOOR mile time by damn near 10seconds in a single season... SMDH