Penn State DMR 9:26.59

Whoa what happened to Dartmouth?

Rough splits from the FloTrack live stream:

Penn State:

2:52

46 high

1:48

3:58

Looks like they broke their school record from last year by 1/100th sec, for the fastest ever on an "oversized" track and second-fastest on all tracks.

It's getting pretty clear that "oversized" 300m flat tracks have no intrinsic advantage over properly tuned and banked 200m tracks.

When the NCAA were creating the conversions for all divisions on qualifying marks they found no statistical significant difference bewteen a banked 200 and oversized. Theoretically the times are the same.

DUCK U DUCK wrote:

When the NCAA were creating the conversions for all divisions on qualifying marks they found no statistical significant difference bewteen a banked 200 and oversized. Theoretically the times are the same.

There is no real theory if there was no real science done.

watched the race beginning to end.

Kidder about 2:53.5

400 probably split 48

Watkins 1:48 high

Creese about 4:00 to 4:01 easy, walking away. PSU is way better than the old days, that is for sure

To be fair some others were on their first race this year

IF creese was pushed it would have been an NCAA record

Trialswatcher wrote:

watched the race beginning to end.

Kidder about 2:53.5

400 probably split 48

Watkins 1:48 high

Creese about 4:00 to 4:01 easy, walking away. PSU is way better than the old days, that is for sure

To be fair some others were on their first race this year

IF creese was pushed it would have been an NCAA record

Unlikely....that adds 4-5 seconds.

I was wrong Kidder was under 2:53

Creese was under 4:00

I was wrong Kidder was under 2:53

Creese was under 4:00

If we relied on science alone, the top runners would do only vVO2Max on a treadmill and drink beet juice as their primary form of liquid intake. Fortunately we have such things as common sense and strong empirical evidence to allow us the freedom to improve the sport.

ososk wrote:

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There is no real theory if there was no real science done.

Trialswatcher wrote:

I was wrong Kidder was under 2:53

Creese was under 4:00

No sh!t. Math doesn't appear to be required to.attend Penn State.

OK Torpedo wrote:

If we relied on science alone, the top runners would do only vVO2Max on a treadmill and drink beet juice as their primary form of liquid intake. Fortunately we have such things as common sense and strong empirical evidence to allow us the freedom to improve the sport.

What you said makes no sense. Science does not say that doing only vvo2max on treadmills or drinking beet juice is the way to go. What scientific source told you that?

Also, you clearly do not know what common sense or empirical evidence mean. We have math and physics to compare and contrast the effects of indoor and outdoor track performances. Relying on statistical differences is not credible.

that sub 2:53 by Kidder is highly impressive

You seem to have neglected in citing these so-called "math and physics comparisons and contrast" studies in regards to indoor track configurations. Really looking forward to your references as well as your breathtaking conclusions in this regard.

ososk wrote:

What you said makes no sense. Science does not say that doing only vvo2max on treadmills or drinking beet juice is the way to go. What scientific source told you that?

Also, you clearly do not know what common sense or empirical evidence mean. We have math and physics to compare and contrast the effects of indoor and outdoor track performances. Relying on statistical differences is not credible.[/quote]

whoa nelly wrote:

Looks like they broke their school record from last year by 1/100th sec, for the fastest ever on an "oversized" track and second-fastest on all tracks.

The track is 200m.

I R a student 2 wrote:

Trialswatcher wrote:

I was wrong Kidder was under 2:53

Creese was under 4:00

No sh!t. Math doesn't appear to be required to.attend Penn State.

Trialswatcher isn't from Penn State. It's "king99", the guy who posted all over Dyestat back in the day. He's probably in his 50's now, and attended school in NJ I think.

Trialswatcher wrote:

watched the race beginning to end.

Kidder about 2:53.5

400 probably split 48

Watkins 1:48 high

Creese about 4:00 to 4:01 easy, walking away. PSU is way better than the old days, that is for sure

To be fair some others were on their first race this year

IF creese was pushed it would have been an NCAA record

Funny how many runners run 2:53 for 1200 no matter what their 800 and mile PR's are. A nice quick pace will result in a 2:53 for the 1200. Kidder is a great kid no doubt but I have seem 4:04 milers run 2:53 before I love the DMR the best event indoors by far

Trialswatcher wrote:

IF creese was pushed it would have been an NCAA record

What race were you watching? Atchoo immediately got right on Creese's a*s and stayed there for 6.5 laps. Creese did not separate until he started kicking with 200m to go.

whaaattt! I remember king! does kalaby frequent these boards ?