Why does Salazar make his athletes do a workout after a race? How logical is it? Hes likes doing this quite a bit, and to be honest I have never seen the point. I would rather see them doing a tempo run at a moderate pace than hammering short distances on the track (in spikes). What does the schedule look like the day after a race for his athletes? (Back on the track again? Haha).
13:01, 8:07.
He did a workout after running 13;01 and then set another record the following week. How is it not working? The principle is explained on the other thread.
GrunchGrim wrote:
Why does Salazar make his athletes do a workout after a race? How logical is it? Hes likes doing this quite a bit, and to be honest I have never seen the point. I would rather see them doing a tempo run at a moderate pace than hammering short distances on the track (in spikes). What does the schedule look like the day after a race for his athletes? (Back on the track again? Haha).
EVERY. TIME. GALEN. RACES.
The idea here is that is you do the workout on race day you get more time to recovery before your next race.
I.e. if you are racing Saturday and the following Saturday and don't do it this way you have Race Sat, workout Tue, and only 4 days to recovery. Race on Saturday, workout on Saturday as well, and you suddenly have 7 days.
Second reason is that these races are short, 3-13 minutes, and of low volume. Think of these races as workouts. How often when you do a track session do you only do 1600-3200m or work? Not that often I imagine, except for maybe 200s. So, Salazar uses the race as the first part of the workout, then adds on a little bit more later to get a more typical work volume and duration.
Other coaches do things like this too, such as Canova; who occasionally uses what he calls special blocks, which is a difficult AM workout, followed by an even more difficult PM workout. Same concept. This is followed by an even longer, easier period of recovery in order to allow the fitness adaptations to take effect.
Comp is different from regular training or specific prep, and different from anything like a specific block.
You come into a race (a non-peak race) more rested than a normal workout so you can handle a higher than normal load, but at the same time the race itself is a higher than normal effort (intensity) and requires higher than normal recovery. Since you are going to have to take time for recovery anyway (meaning sub-max workouts during the week) you might as well use the higher fitness on race day and get more work in, and that allows more recovery during the week.
coach d wrote:
Comp is different from regular training or specific prep, and different from anything like a specific block.
You come into a race (a non-peak race) more rested than a normal workout so you can handle a higher than normal load, but at the same time the race itself is a higher than normal effort (intensity) and requires higher than normal recovery. Since you are going to have to take time for recovery anyway (meaning sub-max workouts during the week) you might as well use the higher fitness on race day and get more work in, and that allows more recovery during the week.
Makes sense to me. I can see how that would be different than Canova's idea of the special block.
They still do other workouts during the week. The workouts they do after the races aren't just to cram in for the hell of it. I heard Salazar explain it had something to do with increasing red blood cells and other physiological benefits. They have to do it within 30 minutes or so after the race, so not the same as AM/PM like your Canova example.
It also made sense for Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds to hit the weight room after their baseball games. McGwire and Bonds were able to do things that no baseball player had ever done.
You want to make sure that the IGF is locking on to that
muscle cell receptor.
It's a lock, baby.
Yes he is a very big believer in recovery. So much so that he uses chemical enhancement to optimize it.
Have you forgotten about people who run doubles at meets and how awesome people tend to think those winning performances are?
You need to get your head out if the run less, run faster world.
eyes shut wrote:
It also made sense for Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds to hit the weight room after their baseball games. McGwire and Bonds were able to do things that no baseball player had ever done.
Yes, a ball game is just like running.
SMJO wrote:
eyes shut wrote:It also made sense for Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds to hit the weight room after their baseball games. McGwire and Bonds were able to do things that no baseball player had ever done.
Yes, a ball game is just like running.
I'm guessing he's making a PED joke here, not actually supporting the theory.
However, I think it is a smart move and Salazar is planning a week and a half taper for the mile.
LM wrote:
GrunchGrim wrote:Why does Salazar make his athletes do a workout after a race? How logical is it? Hes likes doing this quite a bit, and to be honest I have never seen the point. I would rather see them doing a tempo run at a moderate pace than hammering short distances on the track (in spikes). What does the schedule look like the day after a race for his athletes? (Back on the track again? Haha).
EVERY. TIME. GALEN. RACES.
The idea here is that is you do the workout on race day you get more time to recovery before your next race.
I.e. if you are racing Saturday and the following Saturday and don't do it this way you have Race Sat, workout Tue, and only 4 days to recovery. Race on Saturday, workout on Saturday as well, and you suddenly have 7 days.
Second reason is that these races are short, 3-13 minutes, and of low volume. Think of these races as workouts. How often when you do a track session do you only do 1600-3200m or work? Not that often I imagine, except for maybe 200s. So, Salazar uses the race as the first part of the workout, then adds on a little bit more later to get a more typical work volume and duration.
Other coaches do things like this too, such as Canova; who occasionally uses what he calls special blocks, which is a difficult AM workout, followed by an even more difficult PM workout. Same concept. This is followed by an even longer, easier period of recovery in order to allow the fitness adaptations to take effect.
5 X mile is more a little bit He does have some cool ideas but that is hammering the kid. Rupp is freak of nature though so maybe he can handle it
That just it stupid , a race day is hard day , a recovery day is a recovery day , get it ! Its the backwards thinking of american athletes like you that keep americans mediocre , average , you have to rethink whats going to get you to a world class level.
Recovery is something you do with other 21-22 hrs a day not running.
Racing for 8 minutes is not completely exhausting to a professional distance runner. It's not hard to imagine a runner that ran 8:07 for 2 miles to then run mostly 4:20 mile repeats. And he's a longer distance guy. If he was actually very exhausted from racing 8 minutes, he'd be in serious trouble for the 5/10k.
Then consider that Rupp was very rested coming in before those 8 minutes. It makes sense to ramp up his stimulus to get his body to continue making adaptations. There's a very short window before the next time he takes a taper for the next race. Not optimizing that window for several weeks in a row is why so many lose fitness over a competition season.
So you're saying they do nothing but easy runs for 7 days? I don't buy it.
They're just showing off. Creating buzz for Nike, and it's working.
Of course he believes in recovery.
That is EXACTLY WHY he does these workouts on race day. FOLLOWED BY RECOVERY.
Why are there so many stupid questions on this board about such an obvious concept?
You know you're being dumb when a poster called rupp-certified saladbar is explaining/justifying Salazar methods to you.
This is obviously the right thing for these athletes to be doing, Alberto has been in the game for years!! When you other naysayers can say you have athletes breaking wj records, then you can criticize Alberto!
This is obviously the right thing for these athletes to be doing, Alberto has been in the game for years!! When you other naysayers can say you have athletes breaking wj records, then you can criticize Alberto!
He does it because he thinks it's effective.