People have made fun of me for believing this and saying indoor miles are not slower than outdoor, despite that Eamonn Coghlan and Nick Willis both agree. Now add AlSal himself to that list. Debate over. Apology accepted, I forgive you all.
1:55 in the video, though the whole thing is worth looking at.
so that's what...4 votes? to how many? everybody else?
i'll give you that indoor races can be fast, but primarily due to the controlled variables (no wind, good temp, etc)
but on a 55 F day with zero wind on an outdoor track, the outdoor track wins.
reed wrote:
so that's what...4 votes? to how many? everybody else?
To how many professional runners or coaches? I don't know of any.
A while back there was an "indoor sub-4 true sub-4?" thread or something like that. I'm not saying anything new, lots more knowledgeable fans agree as well. And yet many people on here think they can "convert" Rupp's 3:50 to a 3:48 outdoor.
have you ever actually run at bu?
Hardloper wrote:
A while back there was an "indoor sub-4 true sub-4?" thread or something like that. I'm not saying anything new, lots more knowledgeable fans agree as well. And yet many people on here think they can "convert" Rupp's 3:50 to a 3:48 outdoor.
Indeed you are not alone in believing this. Yes, even knowledgeable fans have voiced this opinion. Of course weather conditions are a reason.
Um, maybe fast because the NOPest dealers are close by?
Should have seen the old BU track...banked...wooden beat to hell...wobbled like crazy especially coming off the last turn.
Hardloper wrote:
People have made fun of me for believing this and saying indoor miles are not slower than outdoor, despite that Eamonn Coghlan and Nick Willis both agree. Now add AlSal himself to that list. Debate over. Apology accepted, I forgive you all.
http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/251256-Indoor-Track-and-Field-2014-on-Flotrack/video/728955-Galen-Rupp-Chasing-Records-Trailer-21:55 in the video, though the whole thing is worth looking at.
This is a matter of physics not of popular opinion. You are wrong.
If you look at the best times run by the B.U. athletes themselves you will find that in most cases their outdoor times are faster than their indoor times or have been achieved at sites other than B.U..
For example, Rich Peters ran a 3:56 mile at B.U. last year, but outdoors ran 3:37 for 1500. Katie Matthews ran 9:07 for 3k and 15:46 last year at B.U., but ran 9:05 for 3k at the University of Washington and 15:42 at Fayetteville. Tewado Latty ran 46.86 at B.U. indoors, but ran 46.18 outdoors, Page ran 21.25 indoors, but 21.07 outdoors (hamstring problem).
The straightaways on indoor tracks are less than 40 meters, so for every lap run, 120 meters of it are on a curve. People cannot run as fast or efficiently around a curve than they can on a straightaway. Hence, the explanation for why even B.U. runners run faster outdoors than indoors.
just the facts, ma'am wrote:
If you look at the best times run by the B.U. athletes themselves you will find that in most cases their outdoor times are faster than their indoor times or have been achieved at sites other than B.U..
For example, Rich Peters ran a 3:56 mile at B.U. last year, but outdoors ran 3:37 for 1500. Katie Matthews ran 9:07 for 3k and 15:46 last year at B.U., but ran 9:05 for 3k at the University of Washington and 15:42 at Fayetteville. Tewado Latty ran 46.86 at B.U. indoors, but ran 46.18 outdoors, Page ran 21.25 indoors, but 21.07 outdoors (hamstring problem).
The straightaways on indoor tracks are less than 40 meters, so for every lap run, 120 meters of it are on a curve. People cannot run as fast or efficiently around a curve than they can on a straightaway. Hence, the explanation for why even B.U. runners run faster outdoors than indoors.
Are you sure the extra 2 months of training can't account for that? I don't know of many people who time a big peak for indoors.
Salazar didn't say "or faster". He only said he thought they were as fast. He's still wrong.
Now lets see who has run faster indoors: Coghlan
Who has run faster outdoors: Everybody else
I don't understand how you can look at that and still think indoor tracks are just as fast. The more times your body changes directions, the slower you run.
Also 3/10.
TAA wrote:
Salazar didn't say "or faster". He only said he thought they were as fast. He's still wrong.
Now lets see who has run faster indoors: Coghlan
Who has run faster outdoors: Everybody else
-Geb
-Most college kids (who take indoor seriously
I don't understand how you can look at that and still think indoor tracks are just as fast. The more times your body changes directions, the slower you run.
It is BANKED.
ksksi wrote:
Hardloper wrote:People have made fun of me for believing this and saying indoor miles are not slower than outdoor, despite that Eamonn Coghlan and Nick Willis both agree. Now add AlSal himself to that list. Debate over. Apology accepted, I forgive you all.
http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/251256-Indoor-Track-and-Field-2014-on-Flotrack/video/728955-Galen-Rupp-Chasing-Records-Trailer-21:55 in the video, though the whole thing is worth looking at.
This is a matter of physics not of popular opinion. You are wrong.
Okay let's see the physics calculation that the wider turns outdoor make up for the banked turn you get indoor. Thanks.
I have watched an indoor 5k and the mass of the runners moving in a constant circular path created a tailwind for evey step of the race from about 1 mile on.
If a bunch of people run/swim around the outer perimeter of a pool for a few circuits, then change direction, the current they created will knock them back.
The same thing can/does happen on an indoor track, but not an outdoor track.
I don't know, but I don't think physics has determined outdoor is faster.
Hardloper wrote:
Okay let's see the physics calculation that the wider turns outdoor make up for the banked turn you get indoor. Thanks.
So you don't believe in physics?
ksksi wrote:
Hardloper wrote:Okay let's see the physics calculation that the wider turns outdoor make up for the banked turn you get indoor. Thanks.
So you don't believe in physics?
Why not, you don't believe in genetics.
ksksi wrote:
Hardloper wrote:Okay let's see the physics calculation that the wider turns outdoor make up for the banked turn you get indoor. Thanks.
So you don't believe in physics?
I am perfectly literate in physics. That's why I want to see your calculation that the wider turns outdoor provide more benefit than the banked tracks indoor. Please post how you calculated this. Thanks.
just the facts, ma'am wrote:
If you look at the best times run by the B.U. athletes themselves you will find that in most cases their outdoor times are faster than their indoor times or have been achieved at sites other than B.U..
For example, Rich Peters ran a 3:56 mile at B.U. last year, but outdoors ran 3:37 for 1500. Katie Matthews ran 9:07 for 3k and 15:46 last year at B.U., but ran 9:05 for 3k at the University of Washington and 15:42 at Fayetteville. Tewado Latty ran 46.86 at B.U. indoors, but ran 46.18 outdoors, Page ran 21.25 indoors, but 21.07 outdoors (hamstring problem).
The straightaways on indoor tracks are less than 40 meters, so for every lap run, 120 meters of it are on a curve. People cannot run as fast or efficiently around a curve than they can on a straightaway. Hence, the explanation for why even B.U. runners run faster outdoors than indoors.
1. You are ignoring the mental benefit some derive from shorter laps and much louder spectators
2. Who is in peak shape in the winter? almost no one. By that alone outdoor times should be substantially faster than indoors in aggregate.
3. ok, so weather is a factor. so what? that is one more factor that helps indoor tracks be faster than outdoors.
Dnfjdjdff wrote:
I have watched an indoor 5k and the mass of the runners moving in a constant circular path created a tailwind for evey step of the race from about 1 mile on.
If a bunch of people run/swim around the outer perimeter of a pool for a few circuits, then change direction, the current they created will knock them back.
The same thing can/does happen on an indoor track, but not an outdoor track.
I don't know, but I don't think physics has determined outdoor is faster.
I don't get it, I thought you just said the circular path aided the runners indoor?
Hardloper wrote:
I am perfectly literate in physics. That's why I want to see your calculation that the wider turns outdoor provide more benefit than the banked tracks indoor. Please post how you calculated this. Thanks.
No, let's see your calculation. You're the one making a claim here without providing any physical evidence and also claiming that you're perfectly literate in physics. So let's kill two birds. The onus is on you.