Is the 500 time good? Not familiar with the distance. Guess we'll find out where she really stands in a few weeks.
Probably a good idea to open her up in some low-key events. Alan Webb never ever did get comfortable racing in packs and what not.
can somebody get this girl a proper fanny pack before she hurts herself.
I like how they gave her Rupp's old NOP uniform.
living in ny wrote:
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/01/mary-cain-makes-pro-debut-finishes-second-500-wins-800-armory/Is the 500 time good? Not familiar with the distance. Guess we'll find out where she really stands in a few weeks.
500 time is excellent, it's the 7th fastest HS mark of all time. Yeah it's a fairly uncommon distance, but lets keep in mind that Cain is a distance runner and the 500 is pretty much an all out sprint start to finish. This means Cain truly does have excellent sprint speed, who knows what the future holds.
On another note...don't know the exact splits, but given her time she probably split around 56.mid at 400. Let's say her outdoor 400 ability is a second or so faster, that gives her legit 55s 400 speed which would put her around the top 100 in that event (remember, she is a distance runner!) nationally for any given outdoor HS season. The male equivalent ranking-wise is about 48.0. Very Webb-esque.
Realism wrote:
lets keep in mind that Cain is a distance runner
She's naturally more of a mid-distance runner.
Her 5k PR is 15:45, which is "equivalent" to a 4:35 mile, which is "equivalent" to a 2:10 800M, all by the Daniels calculator; and yet she ran a 1:59 800M. If you do a backwards Daniels calculation, her 800M PR is "equivalent" to a 14:26 5k.
SMJO wrote:
I like how they gave her Rupp's old NOP uniform.
LetsRun would be worthless without posts like this. Thank you.
Hahahaha.
Doubling back in 30 minutes gets this appearance closer to workout/time-trial than an high level competition IMO
What was her 500 split in the 800?
Someone needs to figure out how to get cleaner audio off this type of equipment just like they need to go to lip ribbon microphones when they are calling races.
jamin wrote:
Realism wrote:lets keep in mind that Cain is a distance runner
She's naturally more of a mid-distance runner.
Her 5k PR is 15:45, which is "equivalent" to a 4:35 mile, which is "equivalent" to a 2:10 800M, all by the Daniels calculator; and yet she ran a 1:59 800M. If you do a backwards Daniels calculation, her 800M PR is "equivalent" to a 14:26 5k.
The "VO2 max" equivalent tables aren't meant to be accurate below 5k or so. Her 100m time would probably equate to something even better by that formula. The IAAF tables would probably equate her 800 time to around 15:30.
Hardloper wrote:
jamin wrote:She's naturally more of a mid-distance runner.
Her 5k PR is 15:45, which is "equivalent" to a 4:35 mile, which is "equivalent" to a 2:10 800M, all by the Daniels calculator; and yet she ran a 1:59 800M. If you do a backwards Daniels calculation, her 800M PR is "equivalent" to a 14:26 5k.
The "VO2 max" equivalent tables aren't meant to be accurate below 5k or so. Her 100m time would probably equate to something even better by that formula. The IAAF tables would probably equate her 800 time to around 15:30.
1:59 is way better for a girl than 15:45, and even 15:30. I looked up the IAAF tables. Her 800 comes out to 15:00 in the 5000. Remember this is women's running we're talking about. It's very different from men's running.
But with that said she's young and hasn't had much of a chance to run the 5000 yet so her 5000 might be more impressive just because of her lack of experience. I think we'll see as time goes on.
How are those tables derived, by the way? Those women's marathon times are abnormally slow.
xenonscreams wrote:
1:59 is way better for a girl than 15:45, and even 15:30. I looked up the IAAF tables. Her 800 comes out to 15:00 in the 5000. Remember this is women's running we're talking about. It's very different from men's running.
I know, that's why I use the IAAF tables if anything, because they are different for men and women. I didn't actually look, 15:30 was just a bad guess.
xenonscreams wrote:
How are those tables derived, by the way? Those women's marathon times are abnormally slow.
The tables are just opinions. Most agree that the marathons, and even half marathon times, need to be shifted. They are also based on the principle that times drop off more as distance goes up, so it's more "impressive" to be within 20% of the marathon WR as 20% of the 100m record.
I really thought that was a typo and she got second in the 5k. The 500 is an interesting distance though, definitely different from the 400. That's around when the body is switching over from mostly anaerobic to mostly aerobic so each 100 makes a difference. I think there should be more 600m races, 700 might not be different enough from the 800 to be worth including though.
Speaking of the 800, they gave it to her. The race does not start fast. I understand she was the best runner there but I would have liked to see someone at least try to run away from her on the first lap, or give a mighty surge at 600.
Hitmonlee wrote:
I understand she was the best runner there but
That's a mighty understatement... she looked like a world championship finalist racing no-name collegiates. As far as I can tell they DID try to run away from her. All the tactics in the world weren't going to make a difference...
Frustating that they are messing with her form. She looked better as a freshman than she did here. Very mechanical and didn't have the same back kick as she did before or the fluid arm motion.
What's really stupid is that she is the fastest female HS runner of ALL-TIME and Salazar thinks her form is messed up. He needs to take a step back and realize it's his understanding of form that is incomplete.
Go back and watch her as a freshman and sophomore. She looks awkward because she is so lanky, but when you get beyond that you realize she looks like a professional already at 14.
Maybe she's just not used to this form change, but she looked really rough in the video of her 800.
ventolin^³ wrote:
12.7
25.4
55.8
1:59.5
4:04
15:45
idiots
The US records for women for 400m, 800m, 5k
48.70
1:56.4
14:44.76
55.8 is 1.15x the US record
1:59.5 is 1.02x the US record
15:45 is 1.08 the US record
Why would you bring up Alan Webb?
Alan Webb was a great racer, comfortable in packs or leading the race. You obviously didn't grow up watching Webb's career at this point compared to Cain.
Webb's SR year of high school he ran 3:53 at the Pre Mile in a pack, high-race setting. I don't believe he ever lost a track mile after his junior year. The dude didn't lose.
Don't worry. NOPe will get those dosages adjusted.
Gcol wrote:
Why would you bring up Alan Webb?
It's what ignorant little trolls do to pass time.
I was at that meet. My teammates even talked to Cain since some raced her in hs school and she said this was just a workout for her. So you can examine it all you want but there's no more importance behind her "races" yesterday than getting some harder effort in.