The Mini Cooper wrote:
I love how the major sports require their coaches to regularly meet with media.
They can do that because the coaches are paid a salary by the team that's part of the league.
The Mini Cooper wrote:
I love how the major sports require their coaches to regularly meet with media.
They can do that because the coaches are paid a salary by the team that's part of the league.
I'm annoyed that the Trailer went away.
The last bit where he talked about skateboarding is my favorite part. I've been saying it for a long time--If running wants to be relevant it needs to look towards skateboarding for lessons on how to run the industry.
Moderators, I was about to start a thread on this very topic but found this one. Can someone PLEASE change the subject heading for to my proposed Subject line: "It's official: Other than Galen Rupp's silver medal, I have zero respect for NOP."
That title is funny but true. Yes they won a silver. So they can always defend themselves like we did in junior high to any insults by saying, "Scoreboard."
But I've got zero respect for them as a fan. They run fast but it's largely done in secret and with every advantage in the world. If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there - does it make a noise? If a white American with zero personality wins a silver with an egomaniac with a somewhat shady past as a coach, does anyone care?
For all practical purposes the answer is no.
Why i don't like them (ignoring the whole TUE/doping allegations).
1) They are bullies as shown by the quote. They rarely do interviews (even when Flotrack paid for inside access no workouts were shown) and when someone writes or says something they don't like watch out. The editor gets called or even the Athletic Director if it's a nike school.
2) They are totally self-absorbed and only do what's in their selfish interest. Do they care about the sport? No. Rupp's going to go for the AR 10k in Eugene, no wait he's going to do in Palo Alto (thank you Chris Solinsky). We're going to do Club Nats - oh wait no were not as we might get muddy in an xc race.
But OP, you are right. It's amazing no one is talking about the front page quote. But i think it proves my point. No one respects the NOP. That ship has sailed. If people really liked them, they'd be outraged by the quote. The years of whispers about TUEs and the years of self-absorption and use of technological gimmicks has killed off any and all fans.
Think about it. The only true distance fans are really into it. What really into it guy is going to be into these shenanigans?
True that.
I'd much rather and do enjoy seeing Derrick, Jager, Huling, Solinski, Hill compete and run fast.
If Rupp runs a 3:50 again? Eh.
glad i found this thread wrote:
Moderators, I was about to start a thread on this very topic but found this one. Can someone PLEASE change the subject heading for to my proposed Subject line: "It's official: Other than Galen Rupp's silver medal, I have zero respect for NOP."
That title is funny but true.
We started laughing when we read that. That's quite a big "Other than" isn't it, but it's funny and gets people to think which is the whole point of a messageboard.
We did a hybrid version of your desire and the original as we don't want the OP to get mad.
Galen is like a robot, you tell him to run 27:15, he'll run just that, tell him to run 13:02 he'll go out there and do it. There's nothing exciting about watching anybody of the NOP race. I personally would like to see guys going after the world records again instead of these pansy a$$, controlled and calculated, sit and kick sh** of a race.
What about Centro? 2011 WC Bronze 2012 Olympic 4th place 2013 WC Silver. He's respectful and a cool guy off the track. I don't see any problem with him. or anyone else in the NOP for that matter
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DMX wrote:
What about Centro? 2011 WC Bronze 2012 Olympic 4th place 2013 WC Silver. He's respectful and a cool guy off the track. I don't see any problem with him. or anyone else in the NOP for that matter
I forgot abot him but thats because i dont associate him with nop. He won his first medal under powell at oregon and centros dad used to coach for reebok enclave. So my brain associates him with either oregon or his dad not salazar.
So is that where Kara got the "Alberto's Gimmicks" quote she used at USAs? Cool.
might be wejo wrote:
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I'm stunned to see that Nick Symmonds supports it!!
Symmonds tweeted:
Nick Symmonds @NickSymmonds 1h
Want to know more about the bullies controlling professional T&F? I have a book coming out in 2014 that delves deep into this subject.
Nick Symmonds @NickSymmonds 1h
It's time we stop letting bullies run the sport of T&F. Great interview @jongugala!
http://spikeduppsychedup.com/2013/12/19/jon-gugala-demise-trailer-state-running-media/…
This is big, big news. Symmonds can expect a call from upper level management at Nike any moment.
Seriously, when Symmonds wonders why he makes way less than Andrew Wheating, he can point to the fact that he at least has dignity and isn't afraid to be a real human being. But I can't believe he just tweeted that out.
I love how Nick Symmonds tells it how he sees it in all aspects about this sport. You can tell how much he loves this sport and wants to see THE SPORT AS A WHOLE succeed, instead of just wanting to see ONLY HIMSELF succeed.
Can we please have Nick run USATF? Please????
C/M Runner wrote:
I love how Nick Symmonds tells it how he sees it in all aspects about this sport. You can tell how much he loves this sport and wants to see THE SPORT AS A WHOLE succeed, instead of just wanting to see ONLY HIMSELF succeed.
Can we please have Nick run USATF? Please????
i seriously could not stand symmonds for YEARS; thought he was a loud mouth attention whore egomaniac who had to have the center stage no matter what. only reason he had the stage was the US sucked in the 800 for so long.
the last few years i have done a complete 180. i can definitely proudly say i am now a fan of symmonds the runner and the man.
I also thought it was a good read.
I especially liked the part at the end where the guy was saying that running should be covered differently, and that "running is not Sunday school". I often feel like the whole sport of running has been co-opted and made into this boring morality play/fundraiser/way to enjoy nature, etc. Every story seems to be approached from an angle that involves overcoming some difficulty, or beating the odds, or being courageous, or raising money for charity, or something like that.
The problem with that is that those things are fine, but it's not interesting to watch someone run in those situations. The story may be nice, but the action itself is dull. More power to them, but it's not interesting to sit and watch the various charity cases, especially when they take away coverage time from the real action.
Or sometimes the angle of running coverage is on amazingly difficult long distance running is, and how amazing it is that these grim, superbly conditioned people can run through such adverse conditions....still not interesting to watch in and of itself. Or how many marathons/ultramarathons so-and-so has completed within whatever amazingly short time period...still boring. And let's not even talk about how depressing it is to listen to Carol Lewis commentate a track meet.
It's like distance running coverage is about everything except the race itself. They're missing the most interesting part! The tactics, the rivalries, the various moves within the race, the attempts to drop people, the attempts by people who've been dropped to claw their way back, etc. There is an exciting sport in there somewhere, but you wouldn't know it when the announcer is constantly trying to explain to you how many football fields per hour the runners are covering, or how courageous some of the back of the pack runners are.
Kind of wonder about that. Assuming at some point he would have the interest in taking a managerial role like that, would he have enough support to run the show?
Gugala is not only hated by NOP. Others see him as a DB as well.
I know Jon wrote:
Gugala is not only hated by NOP. Others see him as a DB as well.
He seems fairly easily agitated.
glad i found this thread wrote:
DMX wrote:What about Centro? 2011 WC Bronze 2012 Olympic 4th place 2013 WC Silver. He's respectful and a cool guy off the track. I don't see any problem with him. or anyone else in the NOP for that matter
I forgot abot him but thats because i dont associate him with nop. He won his first medal under powell at oregon and centros dad used to coach for reebok enclave. So my brain associates him with either oregon or his dad not salazar.
Well, your brain is wrong. He's very much associated with NOP and Salazar.
I never cared much for Symonds' antics in the past, but I am also starting to like him more and more these days. The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
Gamera wrote:
I also thought it was a good read.
I especially liked the part at the end where the guy was saying that running should be covered differently, and that "running is not Sunday school". I often feel like the whole sport of running has been co-opted and made into this boring morality play/fundraiser/way to enjoy nature, etc. Every story seems to be approached from an angle that involves overcoming some difficulty, or beating the odds, or being courageous, or raising money for charity, or something like that.
The problem with that is that those things are fine, but it's not interesting to watch someone run in those situations. The story may be nice, but the action itself is dull. More power to them, but it's not interesting to sit and watch the various charity cases, especially when they take away coverage time from the real action.
Or sometimes the angle of running coverage is on amazingly difficult long distance running is, and how amazing it is that these grim, superbly conditioned people can run through such adverse conditions....still not interesting to watch in and of itself. Or how many marathons/ultramarathons so-and-so has completed within whatever amazingly short time period...still boring. And let's not even talk about how depressing it is to listen to Carol Lewis commentate a track meet.
It's like distance running coverage is about everything except the race itself. They're missing the most interesting part! The tactics, the rivalries, the various moves within the race, the attempts to drop people, the attempts by people who've been dropped to claw their way back, etc. There is an exciting sport in there somewhere, but you wouldn't know it when the announcer is constantly trying to explain to you how many football fields per hour the runners are covering, or how courageous some of the back of the pack runners are.
Good analysis, Gamera.