14 year old splits 32:30 10km in a half marathon

14 year old or not, I will call BS that the 10k split is accurate OR the half marathon itself was acccurate. I would expect a 14 year old to run 1:13-1:14ish with that 10k split, not self destruct to a 1:18

YoYoMa wrote:

14 Year old Joshua Torley finished 2nd to former Half Marathon World record holder Steve Moneghetti in a time of 1:18:20 at a Half Marathon in Euston, AUS. He went through 10km in about 32:30. Not to bad for a young fella.

About 5:15 pace for the first half and close to 6:40 pace for the second. He might have had a shot at a sub-1:18:00, maybe even sub-1:17:30, with slightly better pacing.

He ran 33:29 as a 13 year old about 18 months ago. I think there was some talk at the time it may have been an unofficial WR for a 13 year old. Must be pretty close.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/runner-takes-it-all-in-his-stride-20130907-2tc01.html

He ran 32:24 in September in the 10k race mentioned in that preview article. So he's legit.

There's also the account of the half marathon from Moneghetti himself in which he confirms the accuracy of the 10k split, and he's a pretty reliable source.

The big question, of course, is whether this is the product of doing huge mileage, which often leads to a flattening out.

YoYoMa wrote:

He ran 33:29 as a 13 year old about 18 months ago. I think there was some talk at the time it may have been an unofficial WR for a 13 year old. Must be pretty close.

James Garritson ran 33:03 at the Continental Homes 10K in Phoenix back in the 1980s when he was 11 years old.

His father was even more impressive, doing more to establish himself as an elite-level douchebag than any of his beleaguered kids ever did to cement their astonishing running credentials.

By the way, if you don't know how the story ended for the Garritson clan, it wasn't with Olympic glory or anything close. Big surprise.

Victor Maitland wrote:

YoYoMa wrote:

14 Year old Joshua Torley finished 2nd to former Half Marathon World record holder Steve Moneghetti in a time of 1:18:20 at a Half Marathon in Euston, AUS. He went through 10km in about 32:30. Not to bad for a young fella.

About 5:15 pace for the first half and close to 6:40 pace for the second. He might have had a shot at a sub-1:18:00, maybe even sub-1:17:30, with slightly better pacing.

This young fella has been a distance machine for many years, dominating his age group in Australian XC. As an 11yo he was national champion, running faster than all the actual 12yo. My guess is that he does high mileage for his age. I don't think he can break 60 for 400 but has the 13yo world record for 5000 at 15:38. He recently did a 10km road race in 32:24, so, if he was running into the wind on the out leg just off his 10km PB, it's no surprise he blew up a bit. He's from the Australian Capital Territory (ACT, where Canberra is). Cross country is a bit of a religion there. His dad runs the self-styled Australian Junior Running Academy. I'd say he flogs the crap out of them. A 12yo girl of his just won the national 800m in 2:15.

Since pics are a necessity on this site, here is a link.

The only difference between him and me is that he listens to AC/DC before a race and I listen to AC/DC DURING a race.

And maybe 6 or 7 minutes over 10k.

up and down under wrote:

He ran 32:24 in September in the 10k race mentioned in that preview article. So he's legit.

There's also the account of the half marathon from Moneghetti himself in which he confirms the accuracy of the 10k split, and he's a pretty reliable source.

The big question, of course, is whether this is the product of doing huge mileage, which often leads to a flattening out.

Mileage leads to flattening out? I'm not sure that's true.

The 5k and 10k times for this kid are impressive, but if we are going to talk half marathon times from 14 year old kids, how about this:

http://www.runsum.com/results/results.php?raceid=129&event1=Half%20Marathon

Benjamin Pachev, 14 years old, finished the Utah Valley Half Marathon in 1:15:21. It is an aided course, but it is also at altitude, and some of the top finishers in the race have run equivalent (or faster) times at sea level. According to Benjamin's dad they made it to 6 miles in 34:10 (see link below for additional splits). Finishing 3 minutes faster is much more impressive in my book than starting fast and fading.

http://sasha.fastrunningblog.com/blog-06-08-2013.html

To put things in perspective a bit, during the summer, Benjamin ran a 9:35 3000 in Eugene (in the first link below scroll down to Saturday the 13th for that race), while the national record for that age group is sub 9:00. He also recently ran a 3 mile tempo run in 15:25 (second link, scroll down to Tuesday the 12th) indicating he is in about 16:00 5k shape right now. Are these world beating times? No, but with the kids endurance I wouldn't be surprised to see a world class marathon out of him eventually.

http://sasha.fastrunningblog.com/blog-week-07-07-2013.html

http://sasha.fastrunningblog.com/blog-week-11-10-2013.html

100 kenyans could smash that

Victor Maitland wrote:... He might have had a shot at a sub-1:18:00, maybe even sub-1:17:30, with slightly better pacing.

MarathonMind wrote:

Victor Maitland wrote:... He might have had a shot at a sub-1:18:00, maybe even sub-1:17:30, with slightly better pacing.

"slightly"? Oh man there's some funny stuff written here.

It becomes all the funnier when people's sarcasm detectors go on the fritz or have never worked in the first place.

It's funny either way. Be thankful I flagged your humor.

I am Benjamin's dad. His times are good, but I am well aware that there are kids his age that have more talent. For example, Conner Mantz ran the same Utah Valley Half marathon course in 1:13:19 at the age of 14 in 2011. I think the reason we are impressed with anything sub-1:20 in the half for a 14 year old is that our distance training approach is messed up. There are very few kids that age that have a healthy aerobic base. Essentially they run off their talent before they start high school. When they start high school with rare exceptions they train speed before building adequate base. This has three negatives:

- The heart is forced to work at an intensity that it is not yet conditioned for. Our heart is designed to be a slave. It is one organ that is absolutely not allowed to fail. So when pushed, it will do what it takes to keep you going. But this has a cost.

- The young muscles are strong, but not yet resilient. Also the bones are not fully mature. High intensity workouts done by competitive young men thus result in a large number of injuries.

- The hormonal system of a young man somewhat resembles his muscles. He can produce a strong drive, but the glands are not fully mature and are subject to wearing out.

As a result we see respectable performances in 1600/3200 meters in high school, and decent times in college, but those who manage to achieve something afterwards are more of an exception.

The proper approach, I believe, is to start at a young age, as young as you can convince a kid to run, and have him run frequently, but most of it at a comfortable pace that he naturally chooses as long as he keeps it faster than 10:00 mile which he will do if he is mentally alert. As they get older, gradually add the mileage, and throw in some very modest intensity work, but be very careful not to overwork the young man. Good diet, plenty of sleep, and get rid of junk activities that cause stress and eat up the precious time without much payback to the extent that you are able. If enough people start doing this, we may discover that we can beat the Kenyans after all.

Well said.

Nope

Good try though.

Calling the Garrison Patriarch (and matriarch too, she's awful as well) an elite-level douchebag is an insult to an elite-level douchebags.

He's a SOCIOPATHIC MONSTER.

He's been an animal abuser on a monumental scale, abusing 150 (yes, he had 150 in his puppy mill at one time) puppies and dogs:

http://www.englishtoyspan.net/Prelim_Hearing.htm

He and his wife managed to escape convictions in the killing of a baby in their care in 1985:

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-03-28/local/me-29111_1_husband

and he has recently been convicted for having been caught on film abusing an autistic person in his care.:

http://fox5sandiego.com/2013/04/22/nurse-convicted-of-abusing-autistic-man/#axzz2RG779Qlt

Yes, he worked as psychiatric nurse, a perfect position for someone who enjoys torturing sentient beings.

Oh, by the way, his wife did too, until she had her license revoked for withholding life saving treatment from MS patients in her care:

http://www.bvnpt.ca.gov/public/vn134634.pdf

What the hell was John Brant thinking when he wrote this very positive piece about the family and its run-in with a pack of dogs last year for Runners World?

http://m.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/when-dogs-attack?page=single

I wouldn't be surprised if some unsolved highway murders get linked to this couple some day.

Thisiswhatmakesthissitegreat wrote:

Calling the Garrison Patriarch (and matriarch too, she's awful as well) an elite-level douchebag is an insult to an elite-level douchebags.

He's a SOCIOPATHIC MONSTER...

Holy McChrist! His "coaching" and "parenting" alone mark him as a sociopath, but I never guessed that the reach of his evil was so broad and deep and horrific. He should be stripped naked and have various objects with a coarse, even spiky texture rammed into his bunghole. Problem is, he might enjoy that. Disgusting human being.

Yes all very good points covered. However it should be mentioned again and again that AC/DC RoCkS!