Any women's fans on here. What about Santa Fransciso at Stanford? They were way back. Was that an 'A' or 'B' team.
Any women's fans on here. What about Santa Fransciso at Stanford? They were way back. Was that an 'A' or 'B' team.
Looks like USF ran a b-team. Their regular season a-team scoring meets were ND and Wisconsin.
Rojo, check your email.
Yup -- looks like these are 2012 Results, not 2013.
Is there an official regional updates thread, or should people just use this one? I was hoping to get updates from these races if people are out there.
Thanks.
Midwest men run at Noon Central (1pm EST), women 1:15pm (2:15pm EST).
Sorry i posed last year's men's results.
HEre are the men for this year. I'm assuming ok state will be a b team and need to be removed.
panoramafarms = ['north carolina', 'eastern kentucky', 'virginia', 'duke', 'auburn', 'liberty', 'virginia tech', 'william and mary', 'california'],
cowboyjamboree = ['oklahoma state', 'northern arizona', 'michigan', 'texas tech', 'kentucky'],
stanfordinvite = ['stanford', 'loyola marymount', 'north dakota state', 'san francisco'],
Dellinger = ['oregon', 'boise state', 'portland', 'washington', 'gonzaga', 'wichita state'],
Greaterlouisvilleclassic = ['louisville', 'tennessee', 'east tennessee state', 'georgia tech'],
Griak = ['byu', 'colorado state', 'arizona state', 'oklahoma', 'michigan state', 'north carolina state', 'minnesota', 'missouri', 'arizona', 'wyoming', 'grand valley state', 'georgia', 'south dakota state', 'iowa'],
notredameinvite = ['columbia', 'tulsa', 'princeton', 'minnesota', 'colorado state', 'new mexico', 'notre dame', 'virginia', 'southern utah', 'florida state', 'missouri', 'illinois', 'lamar', 'utep', 'purdue', 'southern illinois', 'butler', 'eastern michigan', 'ohio state', 'washington state'],
paulshort = ['indiana', 'dartmouth', 'georgetown', 'harvard', 'iowa state', 'la salle', 'yale', 'navy', 'utah state', 'penn state', 'penn'],
rimrock = ['kansas', 'rice', 'kansas state'],
chilepepper = ['arkansas', 'villanova', 'texas tech', 'north texas', 'loyola marymount', 'baylor'],
wisconsininvite = ['northern arizona', 'byu', 'portland', 'wisconsin', 'new mexico', 'columbia', 'arkansas', 'syracuse', 'michigan', 'eastern kentucky', 'north carolina', 'providence', 'harvard', 'notre dame', 'washington', 'air force', 'indiana', 'texas', 'illinois', 'arizona state', 'dartmouth', 'florida', 'north carolina state', 'georgia', 'michigan state', 'georgetown', 'ucla', 'louisville', 'minnesota', 'arizona', 'missouri', 'tennessee', 'texas a&m', 'weber state'],
prenats = ['colorado', 'oregon', 'iona', 'stanford', 'tulsa', 'princeton', 'boise state', 'oklahoma', 'southern utah', 'butler', 'cal poly', 'montana state', 'kansas', 'duke', 'southern illinois', 'penn state', 'florida state', 'virginia tech', 'uc davis', 'texas tech', 'yale', 'iowa', 'lamar', 'purdue', 'california', 'ohio state', 'south dakota state', 'furman', 'william and mary', 'georgia tech', 'utah state', 'cornell', 'kentucky'],
coasttocoast =['oregon', 'syracuse','providence', 'wisconsin','northeastern','cornell'],
pac12 = ['colorado', 'oregon', 'stanford', 'arizona state', 'washington', 'washington state', 'ucla', 'arizona', 'california'],
big10 = ['indiana', 'michigan', 'wisconsin', 'minnesota', 'illinois', 'purdue', 'michigan state', 'ohio state', 'penn state', 'iowa'],
ACC = ['syracuse', 'north carolina', 'notre dame', 'virginia', 'virginia tech', 'duke', 'florida state', 'north carolina state', 'georgia tech'],
bigeast = ['villanova', 'providence', 'butler', 'georgetown', 'marquette'],
big12 = ['oklahoma state', 'iowa state', 'texas', 'oklahoma', 'texas tech', 'kansas', 'bailer', 'kansas state'],
mountainwest = ['new mexico', 'colorado state', 'air force', 'boise state', 'wyoming', 'utah state'],
sec = ['arkansas', 'florida', 'georgia', 'missouri', 'kentucky', 'auburn', 'tennessee', 'texas a&m'],
ivyleague = ['columbia', 'princeton', 'dartmouth', 'harvard', 'yale', 'penn'],
bigsky = ['northern arizona', 'southern utah', 'montana state', 'weber state'],
westcoastconference = ['byu', 'portland', 'loyola marymount'],
Here's what I have:
Autos:
Michigan
Wisconsin
Villanova
Princeton
Oklahoma State
Tulsa
NAU
Colorado
Syracuse
Columbia
Georgia
Florida
Arkansas
Texas
Eastern Kentucky
Virginia
Stanford
Oregon
At large:
Portland
New Mexico
BYU
NC State
UNC
Notre Dame
Indiana
Air Force
Colorado State
Iona
Providence
Dartmouth
Harvard
"A little gift" -- I get the same thing, preliminary. But it relies on iona winning a common opponents tiebreaker over arizona state! I want to check into the meet results deeper before posting results and reasoning.
By the way: looks like Indiana and Oklahoma State both ran B teams at Pre-Nats. If anyone finds out other cases of B teams let us know!
Indiana split their squads between Pre-Nats and Wisconsin Invite.
Women's projections?
"Wisco Fan" -- Looks like Indiana's wisco-invite team counts as an A team (five of the seven regionals runners ran there).
INDIANA
greatlakes region: Evan Esselink, Jason Crist, Carl Smith, Matthew Schwartzer, Jr Ricker, Robby Nierman, Thomas-Jeremy Coughler
Prenats (B): Matthew Schwartzer, Jason Crist, Kyle Overway, Owen Skeete, Joshua Roche, Tyeson Mundy, Jordan Gornall,
Wisco Invite (A): Carl Smith, Evan Esselik, JR Ricker, Rorey Hunter, Robby Nierman, Thomas-Jeremy Coughler, Nolan Fife
Here's what I get for the MEN. Seems solid up to #28. At that point, we have a tie between Iona and Arizona State, who have not faced each other head-to-head according to my results! I have Iona winning the common opponents tiebreaker. Then Harvard pushes Dartmouth in for the last two spots.
In a follow-up I will post the regional and meet results I have.
1 michigan
2 wisconsin
3 villanova
4 princeton
5 oklahoma state
6 tulsa
7 northern arizona
8 colorado
9 syracuse
10 columbia
11 georgia
12 florida
13 arkansas
14 texas
15 eastern kentucky
16 virginia
17 stanford
18 oregon
19 portland
20 new mexico
21 byu
22 north carolina state
23 north carolina
24 notre dame
25 indiana
26 air force
27 colorado state
28 iona
29 providence
30 dartmouth
31 harvard
Automatically selected:
1: michigan is selected, has losses to (big10) indiana; (wisconsininvite) byu, portland, new mexico;
2: wisconsin is selected, has losses to (big10) indiana; (wisconsininvite) byu, portland; (coasttocoast) providence;
3: villanova is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
4: princeton is selected, has losses to (prenats) iona;
5: oklahoma state is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
6: tulsa is selected, has losses to (prenats) iona;
7: northern arizona is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
8: colorado is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
9: syracuse is selected, has losses to (wisconsininvite) byu, portland, new mexico;
10: columbia is selected, has losses to (wisconsininvite) byu, portland, new mexico;
11: georgia is selected, has losses to (Griak) byu, colorado state, arizona state, oklahoma, michigan state, north carolina state, minnesota, missouri, arizona, wyoming, grand valley state; (wisconsininvite) byu, portland, new mexico, north carolina, providence, harvard, notre dame, washington, air force, indiana, illinois, arizona state, dartmouth, north carolina state;
12: florida is selected, has losses to (wisconsininvite) byu, portland, new mexico, north carolina, providence, harvard, notre dame, washington, air force, indiana, illinois, arizona state, dartmouth;
13: arkansas is selected, has losses to (wisconsininvite) byu, portland, new mexico;
14: texas is selected, has losses to (wisconsininvite) byu, portland, new mexico, north carolina, providence, harvard, notre dame, washington, air force, indiana; (big12) iowa state;
15: eastern kentucky is selected, has losses to (panoramafarms) north carolina; (wisconsininvite) byu, portland, new mexico;
16: virginia is selected, has losses to (ACC) north carolina, notre dame; (panoramafarms) north carolina; (notredameinvite) minnesota, colorado state, new mexico, notre dame;
17: stanford is selected, has losses to (prenats) iona;
18: oregon is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
Teams under consideration: byu (10), new mexico (9), portland (9), north carolina (6), notre dame (5), indiana (5), providence (4), iona (3), north carolina state (2), iowa state (1), oklahoma (1), lamar (0), stephen f austin (0), boise state (0), georgetown (0), penn (0), florida state (0), auburn (0),
Others with points: washington (3), arizona state (3), air force (3), harvard (3), minnesota (2), dartmouth (2), colorado state (2), illinois (2), wyoming (1), grand valley state (1), michigan state (1), arizona (1), missouri (1),
byu not selected with push (gets in later on their own)
portland wins head-to-head tiebreaker over new mexico (relevant meets: wisconsininvite)
19: portland is selected, has losses to (westcoastconference) byu; (wisconsininvite) byu; (Dellinger) boise state;
Teams under consideration: new mexico (9), north carolina (6), notre dame (5), indiana (5), providence (4), iona (3), arizona state (3), north carolina state (2), boise state (1), iowa state (1), oklahoma (1), lamar (0), stephen f austin (0), georgetown (0), penn (0), florida state (0), auburn (0),
Others with points: byu (12), washington (3), air force (3), harvard (3), minnesota (2), dartmouth (2), colorado state (2), illinois (2), wyoming (1), grand valley state (1), michigan state (1), arizona (1), missouri (1),
20: new mexico is selected, has losses to (wisconsininvite) byu; (notredameinvite) minnesota, colorado state;
Teams under consideration: byu (13), north carolina (6), notre dame (5), indiana (5), providence (4), air force (3), iona (3), arizona state (3), north carolina state (2), boise state (1), iowa state (1), oklahoma (1), lamar (0), stephen f austin (0), georgetown (0), penn (0), florida state (0), auburn (0),
Others with points: washington (3), minnesota (3), colorado state (3), harvard (3), dartmouth (2), illinois (2), wyoming (1), grand valley state (1), michigan state (1), arizona (1), missouri (1),
21: byu is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
Teams under consideration: north carolina (6), notre dame (5), indiana (5), providence (4), air force (3), colorado state (3), iona (3), arizona state (3), north carolina state (2), boise state (1), iowa state (1), oklahoma (1), lamar (0), stephen f austin (0), georgetown (0), penn (0), florida state (0), auburn (0),
Others with points: washington (3), minnesota (3), harvard (3), dartmouth (2), illinois (2), wyoming (1), grand valley state (1), michigan state (1), arizona (1), missouri (1),
22: north carolina state is selected, gives no points (pushed in)
23: north carolina is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
Teams under consideration: notre dame (5), indiana (5), providence (4), air force (3), colorado state (3), iona (3), arizona state (3), boise state (1), iowa state (1), oklahoma (1), lamar (0), stephen f austin (0), virginia tech (0), william and mary (0), georgetown (0), penn (0), florida state (0), auburn (0),
Others with points: washington (3), minnesota (3), harvard (3), dartmouth (2), illinois (2), wyoming (1), grand valley state (1), michigan state (1), arizona (1), missouri (1),
notre dame wins head-to-head tiebreaker over indiana (relevant meets: wisconsininvite)
24: notre dame is selected, has losses to (wisconsininvite) providence, harvard; (notredameinvite) minnesota, colorado state;
Teams under consideration: providence (5), indiana (5), colorado state (4), air force (3), iona (3), arizona state (3), boise state (1), michigan state (1), iowa state (1), oklahoma (1), lamar (0), stephen f austin (0), virginia tech (0), william and mary (0), georgetown (0), penn (0), florida state (0), auburn (0),
Others with points: minnesota (4), harvard (4), washington (3), dartmouth (2), illinois (2), wyoming (1), grand valley state (1), arizona (1), missouri (1),
providence wins head-to-head tiebreaker over indiana (relevant meets: wisconsininvite)
providence not selected with push (gets in later on their own)
25: indiana is selected, has losses to (wisconsininvite) providence, harvard, washington, air force;
Teams under consideration: air force (4), colorado state (4), iona (3), arizona state (3), boise state (1), michigan state (1), iowa state (1), oklahoma (1), lamar (0), stephen f austin (0), virginia tech (0), william and mary (0), butler (0), georgetown (0), penn (0), florida state (0), auburn (0),
Others with points: providence (6), harvard (5), washington (4), minnesota (4), dartmouth (2), illinois (2), wyoming (1), grand valley state (1), arizona (1), missouri (1),
colorado state wins head-to-head tiebreaker over air force (relevant meets: mountainwest)
colorado state not selected with push (gets in later on their own)
26: air force is selected, has losses to (mountainwest) colorado state; (wisconsininvite) providence, harvard, washington;
Teams under consideration: colorado state (5), iona (3), arizona state (3), boise state (1), michigan state (1), iowa state (1), oklahoma (1), southern utah (0), lamar (0), stephen f austin (0), virginia tech (0), william and mary (0), butler (0), georgetown (0), penn (0), florida state (0), auburn (0),
Others with points: providence (7), harvard (6), washington (5), minnesota (4), dartmouth (2), illinois (2), wyoming (1), grand valley state (1), arizona (1), missouri (1),
27: colorado state is selected, has losses to (notredameinvite) minnesota;
Teams under consideration: iona (3), arizona state (3), boise state (1), michigan state (1), iowa state (1), oklahoma (1), southern utah (0), lamar (0), stephen f austin (0), virginia tech (0), william and mary (0), butler (0), georgetown (0), penn (0), florida state (0), auburn (0),
Others with points: providence (7), harvard (6), washington (5), minnesota (5), dartmouth (2), illinois (2), wyoming (1), grand valley state (1), arizona (1), missouri (1),
no head-to-head tiebreaker for iona and arizona state (relevant meets: )
iona wins common opponents over arizona state with difference of 2 (common opponents: washington state, duke, wyoming, colorado, colorado state, northern arizona, nebraska, washington, lamar, kansas, minnesota, iowa, uc davis, arizona, texas a&m, drake, southern utah, wisconsin, portland, grand valley state, central michigan, yale, south dakota, cornell, oklahoma, byu, air force, ucla, north carolina, illinois, georgia tech, providence, louisville, princeton, arkansas, illinois state, butler, dartmouth, texas tech, south dakota state, texas, utah state, georgetown, southern illinois, michigan state, columbia, tulsa, michigan, georgia, oregon, ohio state, furman, harvard, california, new mexico, eastern kentucky, indiana, florida gulf coast, purdue, notre dame, montana state, syracuse, cal poly, william and mary, north carolina state, umass amherst, weber state, stanford, florida, kentucky, florida state, tennessee, boise state, missouri, penn state, lewis, creighton, virginia tech)
28: iona is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
Teams under consideration: providence (7), arizona state (3), dartmouth (2), boise state (1), michigan state (1), iowa state (1), oklahoma (1), southern utah (0), lamar (0), stephen f austin (0), virginia tech (0), william and mary (0), butler (0), georgetown (0), penn (0), florida state (0), auburn (0),
Others with points: harvard (6), washington (5), minnesota (5), illinois (2), wyoming (1), grand valley state (1), arizona (1), missouri (1),
29: providence is selected, has no losses to teams remaining
Teams under consideration: harvard (6), arizona state (3), dartmouth (2), boise state (1), michigan state (1), iowa state (1), oklahoma (1), southern utah (0), lamar (0), stephen f austin (0), virginia tech (0), william and mary (0), butler (0), georgetown (0), penn (0), florida state (0), auburn (0),
Others with points: washington (5), minnesota (5), illinois (2), wyoming (1), grand valley state (1), arizona (1), missouri (1),
30: dartmouth is selected, gives no points (pushed in)
31: harvard is selected, has losses to (paulshort) georgetown;
Here are the regional and meet results I'm using. Teams are listed in order of place. The code I'm using is at
https://bitbucket.org/bowaggoner/ncaa-xc-qualifiers/src
# REGIONAL
northeast = ['syracuse','columbia','iona','providence','dartmouth','harvard','yale','central connecticut'],
midatlantic = ['villanova','princeton','georgetown','penn','penn state','la salle','lehigh','navy'],
southeast = ['eastern kentucky','virginia','north carolina state','north carolina','virginia tech','william and mary','louisville','duke'],
south = ['georgia','florida','florida state','auburn','tennessee','lipscomb'],
southcentral = ['arkansas','texas','lamar','stephen f austin','rice'],
greatlakes = ['michigan','wisconsin','notre dame','indiana','michigan state','butler','ohio state','purdue'],
midwest = ['oklahoma state','tulsa','iowa state','oklahoma','minnesota','kansas','illinois','missouri'],
mountain = ['northern arizona', 'colorado', 'new mexico', 'byu', 'air force', 'colorado state', 'southern utah'],
west = ['stanford','oregon','portland','boise state','arizona state','ucla','cal poly','washington state','washington'],
# SEASON
panoramafarms = ['north carolina', 'eastern kentucky', 'virginia', 'duke', 'auburn', 'liberty', 'virginia tech', 'william and mary', 'california'],
cowboyjamboree = ['oklahoma state', 'northern arizona', 'michigan', 'texas tech', 'kentucky'],
stanfordinvite = ['stanford', 'loyola marymount', 'north dakota state', 'san francisco'],
Dellinger = ['oregon', 'boise state', 'portland', 'washington', 'gonzaga', 'wichita state'],
Greaterlouisvilleclassic = ['louisville', 'tennessee', 'east tennessee state', 'georgia tech'],
Griak = ['byu', 'colorado state', 'arizona state', 'oklahoma', 'michigan state', 'north carolina state', 'minnesota', 'missouri', 'arizona', 'wyoming', 'grand valley state', 'georgia', 'south dakota state', 'iowa', 'nebraska', 'weber state', 'illinois state', 'central michigan', 'drake', 'lewis', 'south dakota', 'florida gulf coast', 'creighton'],
notredameinvite = ['columbia', 'tulsa', 'princeton', 'minnesota', 'colorado state', 'new mexico', 'notre dame', 'virginia', 'southern utah', 'florida state', 'missouri', 'illinois', 'lamar', 'utep', 'purdue', 'southern illinois', 'butler', 'eastern michigan', 'ohio state', 'washington state'],
paulshort = ['indiana', 'dartmouth', 'georgetown', 'harvard', 'iowa state', 'la salle', 'yale', 'navy', 'utah state', 'penn state', 'penn'],
rimrock = ['kansas', 'rice', 'kansas state'],
chilepepper = ['arkansas', 'villanova', 'texas tech', 'north texas', 'loyola marymount', 'baylor'],
wisconsininvite = ['northern arizona', 'byu', 'portland', 'wisconsin', 'new mexico', 'columbia', 'arkansas', 'syracuse', 'michigan', 'eastern kentucky', 'north carolina', 'providence', 'harvard', 'notre dame', 'washington', 'air force', 'indiana', 'texas', 'illinois', 'arizona state', 'dartmouth', 'florida', 'north carolina state', 'georgia', 'michigan state', 'georgetown', 'ucla', 'louisville', 'minnesota', 'arizona', 'missouri', 'tennessee', 'texas a&m', 'weber state', 'umass amherst'],
prenats = ['colorado', 'oregon', 'iona', 'stanford', 'tulsa', 'princeton', 'boise state', 'oklahoma', 'southern utah', 'butler', 'cal poly', 'montana state', 'kansas', 'duke', 'southern illinois', 'penn state', 'florida state', 'virginia tech', 'uc davis', 'texas tech', 'yale', 'iowa', 'lamar', 'purdue', 'california', 'ohio state', 'south dakota state', 'furman', 'william and mary', 'georgia tech', 'utah state', 'cornell', 'kentucky'],
coasttocoast =['oregon', 'syracuse','providence', 'wisconsin','northeastern','cornell'],
pac12 = ['colorado', 'oregon', 'stanford', 'arizona state', 'washington', 'washington state', 'ucla', 'arizona', 'california'],
big10 = ['indiana', 'michigan', 'wisconsin', 'minnesota', 'illinois', 'purdue', 'michigan state', 'ohio state', 'penn state', 'iowa'],
ACC = ['syracuse', 'north carolina', 'notre dame', 'virginia', 'virginia tech', 'duke', 'florida state', 'north carolina state', 'georgia tech'],
bigeast = ['villanova', 'providence', 'butler', 'georgetown', 'marquette'],
big12 = ['oklahoma state', 'iowa state', 'texas', 'oklahoma', 'texas tech', 'kansas', 'bailer', 'kansas state'],
mountainwest = ['new mexico', 'colorado state', 'air force', 'boise state', 'wyoming', 'utah state'],
sec = ['arkansas', 'florida', 'georgia', 'missouri', 'kentucky', 'auburn', 'tennessee', 'texas a&m'],
ivyleague = ['columbia', 'princeton', 'dartmouth', 'harvard', 'yale', 'penn'],
bigsky = ['northern arizona', 'southern utah', 'montana state', 'weber state'],
westcoastconference = ['byu', 'portland', 'loyola marymount'],
Thanks for the work! Excited about the possibility if seeing the Crimson in the big dance for the first time in a while.
If the common opponent thing was wrong and ASU got that spot instead of Iona, this is how the last few would shake out:
28. Arizona State
29. Iona
30. Providence
31. Dartmouth
Dartmouth would still have enough points to get in even without Harvard pushing them in.
I don't know how the common opponents part of the code works so I'll wait for devils advocate to verify that.
Do wins and losses not count if a team fields a "b" team? How are you supposed to know if it is not declared at the meet? Or are you supposed to assume?
if arizona state got in though, wouldn't they push boise st. in? so wouldn't the new order be:
28. boise st. (pushed in by arizona state)
29. arizona state
30. iona
31. providence
Thanks to the amazing computer program of former Duke runner (and now Harvard PHD candidate) Bo Waggoner, we are getting ready to tell you the names of the 31 NCAA men's and women's teams competing at the 2013 NCAA Cross Country championships.In all likelihood, we'll know the 31 teams competing way before the NCAA even the teams themselves do as we can produce the results within minutes of the last regional results being posted on Friday. The last regional race isn't the West but the Midwest. The West begins at 1:30 et for the men and 2:45 pm et for the women whereas the Midwest men start at 2 pm et and the women 3:15 et. So assuming the midwest results show up by say 4 pm et, the teams should definitely by known by 5 pm.But in order for us/Bo to tell you who is in and who is out, we need your help.Below are the meets we are using for NCAA at large consideration.We have three questions.1) Are any of the meets below meets where teams ran their B team?We removed Oklahoma State from the Pre-Nats because we're assuming that was their B team. Anybody else?2) Are there any other meets you think we should include?3) Do you see any mistakes below (either typos, teams missing, inconsistent spelling (each team needs to be spelled exactly the same each time) or incorrect order? The teams will either be posted by us or "devils advocate" tomorrow.
questionhere wrote:
if arizona state got in though, wouldn't they push boise st. in? so wouldn't the new order be:
28. boise st. (pushed in by arizona state)
29. arizona state
30. iona
31. providence
Oh yeah missed that, good catch.