Where does Asbel Kiprop rank among all-time 1500m runners?

I think Jim Ryun and his 3:24 VR (ventolin record) deserve to be mentioned.

I don't know that Lagat is obviously ahead of him. A slightly faster PR but not an Olympic Champ and only a World Champ once (in 1500).

Mr. Obvious wrote:

I don't know that Lagat is obviously ahead of him. A slightly faster PR but not an Olympic Champ and only a World Champ once (in 1500).

I'd put Lagat and Ngeny ahead of Kiprop. Kiprop doesn't have a consistent, near unbeatable 3:26 guy to deal with (El G). The 1500m is a weak event these days. I might even put Mehdi Baala ahead of Kiprop.

1) Jim Ryun, capable of 3'24 / 3'41 (as well as 1'39 for 800m)

2) El Guerrouj, would get thrashed by Ryun but still good for 2nd place

3) Keino, capable of 3'26 mid in '68, olympic champ

4) Ngeny, beat El G at his peak, 3'43 mile

5) Lagat, 3'26 guy

6) Morceli, broke WR twice, former 1500m/mile WR holder

7) Kiprop, (best guy since Post-El G era, consistent

8) Coe, good for 3'28 / 3'45 in '81, double olympic champ

9) Aouita, laziest WR holder ever, was capable of much faster than his PR indicates)

10) Maree, former WR holder, capable of 3'28 in '85 (ran 3'29.77 on tired legs)

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I'll do the rest later

Huh?

Ovett was better than Coe. Hands down.

Cacho? WTF?

Ngeny lasted about two years at the top.

Pathetic list

usujsj wrote:

I'd put Lagat and Ngeny ahead of Kiprop. Kiprop doesn't have a consistent, near unbeatable 3:26 guy to deal with (El G). The 1500m is a weak event these days. I might even put Mehdi Baala ahead of Kiprop.

I would put a guy who consistently wins over a guy who consistently finishes second.

Ngeny beat El G rather decisively when it mattered most.

Ngeny

El G

Lagat

Kiprop

I like the list.

May want to add Peter Snell in there.

I like Lagat in the top 5.

2nd fastest ever to date.

Very close Silver to El G in 2004.

Medaled in 2000, 2001, 2004, 2007 and 2009 at 1500m.

(every time he stepped to the line except for 2008)

Running at that level for ten years and having his peak coincide with El G is pretty good.

Kiprop was the 2008 champ and Lagat beat him in 2007 and 2009. After Lagat's peak 1500m fitness.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

usujsj wrote:

I'd put Lagat and Ngeny ahead of Kiprop. Kiprop doesn't have a consistent, near unbeatable 3:26 guy to deal with (El G). The 1500m is a weak event these days. I might even put Mehdi Baala ahead of Kiprop.

I would put a guy who consistently wins over a guy who consistently finishes second.

Kiprop doesn't consistently win and when he does win it is against weaker competition. Kiprop is one of the least consistent guys out there.

dsrunner wrote:

Ngeny beat El G rather decisively when it mattered most.

Ngeny

El G

Lagat

Kiprop

El Guerrouj came back and doubled at the Olympics beating the 10k Olympic Champ, being the 10k and 5k world record holder and the 5K World Champion.

I would not put Ryun ahead of El Guerrouj just because he was considered to be in 1'39, 3'24, and 3'41 shape, he didn't do it so why would you put him above El G? No double gold, no 4 straight world champion titles.

Hicham El Guerrouj - 4 WRs, double gold in '04, 4 straight WC titles

Noah Ngeny - 3'43 mile, 3'28 1500m, olympic gold

Sebastian Coe - only man to ever hold 2 olympic titles in the 1500

Bernard Lagat - 3'26.34, 12'58 5k at the age of 38. WC Double 5k/1500m

Asbel Kiprop - '08 Gold, 3'27.72.

Jim Ryun

My fault, meant to put Ryun ahead of Kiprop.

El G

Lagat

Ryun

I would not include Kiprop in the top 5 at this point. Just because Lagat was not as good as El G in his prime doesn't mean he wouldn't have been the greatest had El G not ran. Thus Lagat is #2 in my book.

My top 50

1. Coe

2. El G

3. Morceli

4. Elliott

5. Walker

6. Snell

7. Ryun

8. Ovett

9. Cramm

10. Keino

11. Kiprop

12. Lagat

13. Ngeny

14. Landy

15. Cacho

16. Aouita

17. Strand

18. Eriksson

19. Delany

20. Jazy

21. Rozsavolgyi

22. Bayi

23. Bannister

24. Jungwirth

25. Lueg

26. Maree

27. Santee

28. Vasala

29. Makhloufi

30. Rono

31. Scott

32. Barthel

33. Nielsen

34. Wessinghage

35. Bile

36. Iharos

37. Baala

38. Dixon

39. Slijkhuis

40. P. Elliott

41. Burleson

42. Ibbotson

43. Herold

44. Straub

45. Tummler

46. Salonen

47. Rotich

48. Choge

49. Reiff

50. Salsola

1) You shouldn't factor 5000m performances in a 1500m ranking

2) Forgetting Morceli?

Screw morceli.

Here's my top 10 list (only 1500 accomplishments)

1. El G - Olympic Champ/ Olympic Silver/ 4 * World Champion/ World Silver/ 2 * World Indoor Champion / World Record

2. Morceli - Olympic Champ/ 3 * World Champion/ World Indoor Champion/ World Record

3. Coe - 2 * Olympic Champ/ World Record

4. Kiprop - Olympic Champ/ 2 * World Champion

5. Ngeny - Olympic Champ/ World Silver

6. Lagat - Olympic Silver/ Olympic Bronze/ World Champion/ World Silver/ World Bronze/ World Indoor Silver

7. Keino - Olympic Champ/ Olympic Silver

8. Cacho - Olympic Champ/ Olympic Silver/ 2 * World Silver/ World Indoor Silver

9. Elliot - Olympic Champ/ 2 * World Record

10. Ryun - Olympic Silver/ World Record

10. Elliot - Olympic Champ/ 2 * World Record

morcelli huh how the hell did he run so fast

my grandad looked like he could run faster

prob the new drug frontier epo etc.

kiprop should be near the top all time if he maximized his ability

Kiprop has a chance to be the best 1500m runner of all time. He is still really young

el guerrouj

greatest ped responder alltime lol