Obama's pathological lies

This scam called affordable health care has nothing to do with providing affordable health care to all Americans, but rather it is a ploy to redistribute wealth. Have you seen anyone say they just LOVE their new health plan under Obamacare? No, all we're hearing is horror stories and it's only going to get worse.

In denial really wrote:

Have you seen anyone say they just LOVE their new health plan under Obamacare? No, all we're hearing is horror stories and it's only going to get worse.

Phil Sherburne and Leia Bell

This Utah family will pay just $123 a month to cover their family of five, despite a shoulder issue that had left Sherburne unable to get insurance before the Affordable Care Act went into effect. According to Sherburne (who is also a small business owner), the multiple efforts it took to get onto the federal exchange website were well worth it. "It's a great deal. I'm thrilled to have coverage, period," he said to the Salt Lake Tribune. "Once I got onto the site it took about an hour, start to finish."

Kendall Brown

This Oklahoma City resident, who suffers from Crohn's Disease, has already benefited once from the Affordable Care Act, which allowed her to stay on her parents' health insurance through age 26. After that, she was unable to find affordable insurance – forcing her to forgo treatment because she couldn't afford the out-of-pocket expenses. She has now been able to enroll in the exchange, despite the pre-existing condition that previously caused her to be denied by every insurance company. In an open letter to Congress, Brown wrote, "f you defund Obamacare, or delay it even for one year, as you are debating today, then this will be my last letter to you. I will be dead before my 27th birthday."

Rakesh Rikhi

For Rikhi, who owns a Bay Area auto-repair shop, the $500 a month that he is saving when it comes to covering his family through the state exchange will mean more money to invest in his small business. Even better, that investment will likely assist his employees in purchasing their own health insurance. "Now that he knows his potential saving, Rikhi says he can't wait to sign up and looks forward to feeling relief from the financial pain of skyrocketing insurance costs," reports the local NBC affiliate.

Butch Matthews

If Rikhi's savings sound good, then Matthews' return must be twice as impressive. The self-avowed Arkansas Republican and retiree admits he became an Obamacare convert after learning he will save $13,000 a year under a new plan that has no monthly premiums. "I would tell [people badmouthing Obamacare] to learn more about it before they start talking bad about it," he told ThinkProgress. "Be more informed, get more information, take your time and study and not just go by just what you hear on one side or the other. Actually check the facts on it."

Andrew Stryker

A Los Angeles freelancer who has been on COBRA health insurance so he won't have any gap in coverage, Stryker expects his monthly premiums to dip to $300 a month from the current $600. "Obviously three hours is a long time to wait, but it will save me over $6,000," he told Sarah Kliff at The Washington Post. "For that, I would have waited all day."

Katie Klabusich

Klabusich, a self-employed writer and activist, says she had been plagued by a chronic sinus infection that she was unable to treat due to her previous insurance plan. "There were periods in my 20's where my health insurance cost more than my rent," she wrote in a blog post, where she went on to praise her new, low monthly premium under the low-deductible health care plan she purchased on the New York state exchange, which will allow her to finally treat a myriad of medical issues she'd mostly tried to ignore. "IN TEN WEEKS . . . I get to see a doctor and start whatever course of treatment is the best option, not the one I can attempt to afford. That is my new reality. Thank you, ACA," Klabusich wrote.

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So is this when the conservatives chime in saying that all of those names are fake and made up by the "liberal media"?

agip wrote:

[quote]In denial really wrote:

Have you seen anyone say they just LOVE their new health plan under Obamacare? No, all we're hearing is horror stories and it's only going to get worse.

Phil Sherburne and Leia Bell

This Utah family will pay just $123 a month to cover their family of five, despite a shoulder issue that had left Sherburne unable to get insurance before the Affordable Care Act went into effect. According to Sherburne (who is also a small business owner), the multiple efforts it took to get onto the federal exchange website were well worth it. "It's a great deal. I'm thrilled to have coverage, period," he said to the Salt Lake Tribune. "Once I got onto the site it took about an hour, start to finish."

Kendall Brown

This Oklahoma City resident, who suffers from Crohn's Disease, has already benefited once from the Affordable Care Act, which allowed her to stay on her parents' health insurance through age 26. After that, she was unable to find affordable insurance – forcing her to forgo treatment because she couldn't afford the out-of-pocket expenses. She has now been able to enroll in the exchange, despite the pre-existing condition that previously caused her to be denied by every insurance company. In an open letter to Congress, Brown wrote, "f you defund Obamacare, or delay it even for one year, as you are debating today, then this will be my last letter to you. I will be dead before my 27th birthday."

Rakesh Rikhi

For Rikhi, who owns a Bay Area auto-repair shop, the $500 a month that he is saving when it comes to covering his family through the state exchange will mean more money to invest in his small business. Even better, that investment will likely assist his employees in purchasing their own health insurance. "Now that he knows his potential saving, Rikhi says he can't wait to sign up and looks forward to feeling relief from the financial pain of skyrocketing insurance costs," reports the local NBC affiliate.

Butch Matthews

If Rikhi's savings sound good, then Matthews' return must be twice as impressive. The self-avowed Arkansas Republican and retiree admits he became an Obamacare convert after learning he will save $13,000 a year under a new plan that has no monthly premiums. "I would tell [people badmouthing Obamacare] to learn more about it before they start talking bad about it," he told ThinkProgress. "Be more informed, get more information, take your time and study and not just go by just what you hear on one side or the other. Actually check the facts on it."

Andrew Stryker

A Los Angeles freelancer who has been on COBRA health insurance so he won't have any gap in coverage, Stryker expects his monthly premiums to dip to $300 a month from the current $600. "Obviously three hours is a long time to wait, but it will save me over $6,000," he told Sarah Kliff at The Washington Post. "For that, I would have waited all day."

Katie Klabusich

Klabusich, a self-employed writer and activist, says she had been plagued by a chronic sinus infection that she was unable to treat due to her previous insurance plan. "There were periods in my 20's where my health insurance cost more than my rent," she wrote in a blog post, where she went on to praise her new, low monthly premium under the low-deductible health care plan she purchased on the New York state exchange, which will allow her to finally treat a myriad of medical issues she'd mostly tried to ignore. "IN TEN WEEKS . . . I get to see a doctor and start whatever course of treatment is the best option, not the one I can attempt to afford. That is my new reality. Thank you, ACA," Klabusich wrote.

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I think covering people with preexisting conditions is a good idea, however, many of these examples make me sick. If a family of 5 is going to pay 123/month and a retiree is paying ZERO it is't because the premium is that cheap. It is because OTHER taxpayers are being forced to pay their premiums. How about for the people who actually work and earn a decent living? They are now being expected to pay much higher premiums AND pay the premiums for the people who aren't responsible enough to earn enough money to pay for their own insurance.

Happened to go the grocery store last night. It was packed. I asked the cashier what was going on? She said all the freeloaders get their food stamps at the beginning of the month so it is crazy. Baskets loaded down with stuff I would never purchase because I watch our food budget closely. I am absolutely sick to death of the freeloaders in this country expecting everyone else to pay for them. The lady in front of my had three children, including a 2 month old baby and was paying with food stamps. Hello - quit popping out kids and expecting everyone to pay them.

Happened to go the grocery store last night. It was packed. I asked the cashier what was going on? She said all the freeloaders get their food stamps at the beginning of the month so it is crazy. Baskets loaded down with stuff I would never purchase because I watch our food budget closely. I am absolutely sick to death of the freeloaders in this country expecting everyone else to pay for them. The lady in front of my had three children, including a 2 month old baby and was paying with food stamps. Hello - quit popping out kids and expecting everyone to pay them.

I'm with you on the food giveaways being a problem. but one of the wealthiest, most advanced countries on the planet not subsidizing health care for poor people...that creeps me out a lot.

If you are poor for whatever reason, I don't have a problem with taxpayers supporting your healthcare. it's ghoulish not to.

The food stamp thing is nutso tho - 50 million people on foodstamps? too much is being given away in this era of dirt cheap food.

Opinion: Columnists

Obamacare is junk insurance

By DAVID FREDDOSO | NOVEMBER 2, 2013 AT 1:40 PM

Topics: Barack Obama Obamacare Health and Human Services Health Care

Millions of Americans' individual market health plans are being canceled because of President Obama's health care law.

Now embarrassed by his oft-repeated and false promise that “if you like your health plan you can keep it,” Obama has retreated to a new line of defense: Your old health plan had to be canceled because it was “junk.”

There are two problems with this new argument. The first is admittedly anecdotal: Where are the cancellation victims who now stand to pay less for more insurance – or even just the same amount for a better plan?

Yet there is no shortage of people who are finding they will now pay more for less coverage under Obamacare – higher deductibles, smaller provider networks, significantly higher premiums – and end up with little more than free birth control to show for it.

That's the second and more convincing reason to disbelieve the White House's new defense. If these millions of cancelled plans are “junk,” then why are so many of the Obamacare substitutes so vastly inferior and more expensive?

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Obamacare is making Robert Laszewski, a respected health insurance expert, lose his top-notch insurance plan, with which he “can access every provider in the national Blue Cross network ... without higher deductibles and co-pays ... Wellness benefits are without a deductible. It covers mental health, drugs, maternity, anything I can think of.”

Obamacare offers Laszewski a plan that costs 66 percent more each month, severely restricts his doctor network, and carries a deductible $500 higher than his old plan. So tell me – which plan is “junk?”

Such stories abound. At the Daily Beast, David Frum describes in greater detail what he had earlier summed up in one tweet.

“I already had a high-deductible plan,” he wrote. “Now I can buy a plan with double the deductible for only $200 a month more.” (My own experience shopping the D.C. exchange produced results similar to Frum's.)

Washingtonian contributing editor Art Levine, an Obamacare supporter, wrote at the Huffington Post that he's losing his relatively expensive ($530 per month premium) but comprehensive plan.

A comparable Obamacare plan will cost him twice as much. “The spin being offered now is that the plans being canceled by and large don't cover mental health or reasonably-priced medications or maternity care,” he writes. “ But that's simply not true, as my plan's benefits indicate.”

L.A. Times guest blogger Matthew Fleischer is losing his “bare-bones” plan. Under Obamacare, he will pay 43 percent more each month for an even more bare-bones plan, with higher co-pays and an annual out-of pocket limit $1,450 higher.

As for the program's subsidies, Fleischer notes that even if he could get his income down to $30,000 (not much in California), he would receive only about $40 per month, leaving him still paying more – and getting less in return if he ever gets sick.

When Obama claims your old plan was “junk,” he's not leveling with you. Your health plan wasn't canceled out of some kind of concern that you are insufficiently insured. Rather, you simply must pay more – and get less – to make Obamacare's finances work.

Rather than prioritize federal or state government budgets to subsidize those with pre-existing conditions – treating them as the rare special cases they are – Obama chose to finance their care by making you pay more into the system and get less out of it whenever you eventually become sick. Someone out there is benefiting from Obamacare. It just isn't you.

Middle-income cancellation victims are the Affordable Care Act's first cash cow. Their insurance will now be less affordable and of lower quality - or to use the common phrase, “junk.”

Called redistribution of wealth. A Communist/Marxist ideology.

Ted Cruz too?!?!?!?

You just can't trust politicians any more!

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/10/cruz-distorts-aca-impact-on-seniors-children/

Yes, all of those names are made up.

Can't believe the liberal media.

"The self-avowed Arkansas Republican and retiree admits he became an Obamacare convert after learning he will save $13,000 a year under a new plan that has no monthly premiums."

Wow, so it's free? That's super cool! Free health care! I can't wait to sign up. Then I'm going to get me some free groceries, free cigs, free phones, free apartment, free bus tickets, free dental.

This free sh&t is awesome! Now I can afford to buy a free unicorn that farts gold pixie dust!

Thank you Obama! yes we did, dammit!

Obamacare was designed to be deceptive. It's structured to redistribute wealth without putting it on the government's balance sheet because a government medical system funded by taxes was a non-starter.

Incidentally, one of the reasons that the Supreme Court said that Congress can't "commandeer" states by forcing them to pass laws is that doing so can obscure political accountability. The individual mandate commandeers individuals in a similar way, forcing them to provide funding for a social service that the federal government could never raise the revenue to provide itself.

I think it's bizarre that people are criticizing conservatives for not pointing out that Obamacare is really good for some people, even though it's bad for others. (E.g., Washington Post, which went so far as to suggest that Ted Cruz was lying by not also pointing out success stories.) It's beyond obvious that Obamacare is very good for some people. That's not the point. The point is that it was sold a statute that would help lots of people without hurting anyone.

800 dude wrote:

I think it's bizarre that people are criticizing conservatives for not pointing out that Obamacare is really good for some people, even though it's bad for others. (E.g., Washington Post, which went so far as to suggest that Ted Cruz was lying by not also pointing out success stories.) It's beyond obvious that Obamacare is very good for some people. That's not the point. The point is that it was sold a statute that would help lots of people without hurting anyone.

Obamacare is only good for freeloaders, the lazy and people with pre-existing conditions. What about the 93 million that Obama and his administration projected would lose their insurance? What will they do? Many who lose their insurance will be bankrupted. Most are seeing their premiums and deductibles skyrocket. Obama sold his entire Obamacare on lies and distortions. What he did pretty much rises to a criminal act. He commmitted fraud.

800 dude wrote:

I think it's bizarre that people are criticizing conservatives for not pointing out that Obamacare is really good for some people, even though it's bad for others. (E.g., Washington Post, which went so far as to suggest that Ted Cruz was lying by not also pointing out success stories.) It's beyond obvious that Obamacare is very good for some people. That's not the point. The point is that it was sold a statute that would help lots of people without hurting anyone.

And I think it's bizarre that you are so out of touch with reality.

People are not "criticizing conservatives for not pointing out that Obamacare is really good for some people, even though it's bad for others."

People ARE criticizing conservatives for:

1) deciding to not support Obamacare on any level, without a SINGLE congressional vote, despite the fact that it was based on conservative ideas on health reform, and is the same exact thing that their PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEEE for crissakes did in his very own sate

2) Not coming up with a serious healthcare reform effort of their own despite plenty of time to do so since Clinton tried, and controlling all branches of gov't for several years during Bush presidency. And they CONTINUE to not come up with any substantive legislation that would overhaul the system.

3) Even after losing the battle on Obamacare initially, spending countless congressional hours voting on resolution after resolution to repeal or defund Obamacare when they simply did not have the votes to do so (and still did not have a replace idea of their own).

4) spending countless days, weeks, years fighting Obamacre in the court system, only to lose that battle too, and yet still not taking no for answer.

5) finally wasting everyone's time by shutting down the gov't and nearly forcing the country in default because they STILL REFUSED to acknowledge that they weren't getting their way

6) after allllllllllll that, they can't just rightfully criticize the roll-out of Obamacare and website fiasco, and the fact that yes, Obama was wrong to tell people that EVERYONE could keep the EXACT health plan they had, no they have to go full on whacko by insisting that these issues mean: "Obamacare is worse than slavery!!" "we need to cancel the whole thing now!!!!!" "it will cost the country TRILLIONS!!!"

In other words: right back to- we will stop at nothing in trying to kill Obamacare, we refuse to accept defeat even though we've lost at every step of the way, and we refuse to try and offer real solutions and real ideas that could help americans get better and more affordable healthcare, and all this despite the law having barely taken effect.

You lost, get over it.

So as Obamas approval #s fall over this, is he losing whites, blacks or both? I'm guessing its white folks bc black people will likely stick to Obama like herpes!

I think its time for America to wake up and see Obama for the socialist that he is. His plan is to slowly redistribute the wealth of those who have legitimately earned it to persons of color and slowly make wealth a crime for anyone who is not like him, e.g., african and black. Many learned scholars such as Rush Limbaugh, Anne Coulter, Glen Beck, and Sean Hannity have clearly shown over and over again that Obama is a Kenyan socialist who only wants white people to suffer. America wont listen. It is obvious that Obama is an alien from the planet Zark who wants nothing short of world domination liberals only want to kill more babies and take away our guns arghh so we cant kill them first everyone should die argh argh argh

Soupy Sales wrote:

What about the 93 million that Obama and his administration projected would lose their insurance? What will they do?

I swear this place is infested with morons. Have you even bothered try to understand thus, fvcktard, or are you content to regurgitate the lies of Rush & co? Listen up: those people are losing their insurance because it is substandard. But they will now have insurance that is superior to what they had. Get it douchebag?

Jeffrey D Boomhauer wrote:

Soupy Sales wrote:

What about the 93 million that Obama and his administration projected would lose their insurance? What will they do?

I swear this place is infested with morons. Have you even bothered try to understand thus, fvcktard, or are you content to regurgitate the lies of Rush & co? Listen up: those people are losing their insurance because it is substandard. But they will now have insurance that is superior to what they had. Get it douchebag?

Not one person is losing their health insurance because it is "substandard" They are losing it because they are being forced to pay for other people premiums.

Substandard implies that Obamacare is better. It is not.