Championship runners are slow
Championship runners are slow
I'd like to be a fluke like that.
You can be a fluke once I suppose, but not twice. That is against the rules. Stephen Kip is real as they come.
The word "fluke" comes from billiards and refers to an unintended success, hitting the wrong ball and getting the right one on richochet. It really doesn't apply to running.
Winning because of luck, Accidental success.
Other than the Olympics and worlds, has Kiprotich ever won a "money marathon"?
I think his PR is 2:07.
You should challenge him to a race.
Runthemhillsboy wrote:
Championship runners are slow
NativeSon wrote:
Other than the Olympics and worlds, has Kiprotich ever won a "money marathon"?
Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they?
I like how I call Rupp's Olympic silver a fluke (six championship races with only one medal, non-spectacular PRs he's never backed up) and everyone says I'm crazy.
But when an African guy wins championships CONSECUTIVELY (reproducibility being pretty much the definition of non-fluke) and has an off race he is called a fluke.
I was cheering for Kiprotich today. Wanted to see him win some cash. Seems like he's done a lot of running for country
Runthemhillsboy wrote:
Championship runners are slow
Beats Kipsang at Olympics and Kebede at WC.
This is a mild troll attempt, but also a relatively interesting potential conversation. Kiprotich is not a fluke. He ran yesterday for two reasons: 1) appearance fee and 2) the chance at $500k. He was only 11 weeks removed from the World Championship marathon and clearly still showed that in his legs over the last ~8K. People will say that Kebede was in the same boat as Kiprotich. Well, Kebede is better than Kiprotich AND Kebede only finished 4th in the World Championship. Big difference between first and 4th. Kiprotich's PR is still relatively slow, but that will change. Give him a proper buildup to a major marathon (likely London this spring), and he'll be ~2:05 or faster. He'll be a legitimate contender on the world stage for the foreseeable future.
might be JK wrote:
This is a mild troll attempt, but also a relatively interesting potential conversation. Kiprotich is not a fluke. He ran yesterday for two reasons: 1) appearance fee and 2) the chance at $500k. He was only 11 weeks removed from the World Championship marathon and clearly still showed that in his legs over the last ~8K. People will say that Kebede was in the same boat as Kiprotich. Well, Kebede is better than Kiprotich AND Kebede only finished 4th in the World Championship. Big difference between first and 4th. Kiprotich's PR is still relatively slow, but that will change. Give him a proper buildup to a major marathon (likely London this spring), and he'll be ~2:05 or faster. He'll be a legitimate contender on the world stage for the foreseeable future.
very good post. I wonder if the London Organizers will bring him into London for the next spring to give Mo and others a good run for the money.
If Stephen gets a similar build up to that of the Olympics, he will drop a major league PB if its a fast course.
RunWild wrote:
very good post. I wonder if the London Organizers will bring him into London for the next spring to give Mo and others a good run for the money.
If Stephen gets a similar build up to that of the Olympics, he will drop a major league PB if its a fast course.
I really hope they do. And frankly, I suspect that they will bring Kiprotich in for the marathon. I don't think they want to give Mo a cakewalk victory even though he's the hometown favorite. Kiprotich and London are eternally linked because he's the London Olympic champion. It would be great to see him there in the spring. My feeling about Kiprotich is he's not quite a world record contender, but he will be in the conversation to win any major marathon he competes in as long as he has a good buildup. All the fair weather marathon fans complain about the lack of American excellence compared to the Africans who are churning out 2:05 marathoners like clockwork. They don't seem to realize how lucky we are to watch all-time heavyweights battle at every major marathon.
might be JK wrote:This is a mild troll attempt, but also a relatively interesting potential conversation. Kiprotich is not a fluke. He ran yesterday for two reasons: 1) appearance fee and 2) the chance at $500k. He was only 11 weeks removed from the World Championship marathon and clearly still showed that in his legs over the last ~8K. People will say that Kebede was in the same boat as Kiprotich. Well, Kebede is better than Kiprotich AND Kebede only finished 4th in the World Championship. Big difference between first and 4th. Kiprotich's PR is still relatively slow, but that will change. Give him a proper buildup to a major marathon (likely London this spring), and he'll be ~2:05 or faster. He'll be a legitimate contender on the world stage for the foreseeable future.
woud he have beaten the new york '11 shape geoff in OG or WC ?
ventolin^3 wrote:
woud he have beaten the new york '11 shape geoff in OG or WC ?
What's the point of this question?
Whoops!! I just won the Olympic marathon. Now wasn't that lucky!?
one year later....
Whoops!! I just won the World Championships marathon. Geez, I just have the best luck!
might be JK wrote:
This is a mild troll attempt, but also a relatively interesting potential conversation. Kiprotich is not a fluke. He ran yesterday for two reasons: 1) appearance fee and 2) the chance at $500k. He was only 11 weeks removed from the World Championship marathon and clearly still showed that in his legs over the last ~8K. People will say that Kebede was in the same boat as Kiprotich. Well, Kebede is better than Kiprotich AND Kebede only finished 4th in the World Championship. Big difference between first and 4th. Kiprotich's PR is still relatively slow, but that will change. Give him a proper buildup to a major marathon (likely London this spring), and he'll be ~2:05 or faster. He'll be a legitimate contender on the world stage for the foreseeable future.
THIS.
There are few exceptions but at the absolute elite level you simply can't run 2 Marathons 11 weeks apart.
might be JK wrote:
ventolin^3 wrote:
woud he have beaten the new york '11 shape geoff in OG or WC ?
What's the point of this question?
the point being this was actual focus of his year & what he had prepared for
he said new york was his target & WC was forced upon him by his fed
you have to assume this was near enough his moscow shape
FastRunnerDude wrote:There are few exceptions but at the absolute elite level you simply can't run 2 Marathons 11 weeks apart
there seems to be some "mythical" reason you can't run within 3/12 but can within 4/12
this has more to do with spacing of
london M
v medal M
v berlin/chicago/new york
spacing than any
"physiology"
ventolin^3 wrote:
the point being this was actual focus of his year & what he had prepared for
he said new york was his target & WC was forced upon him by his fed
you have to assume this was near enough his moscow shape
I don't understand what you're trying to say.