Does anyone have a conversion factor for a 1600m or mile time based on 800m time??
Does anyone have a conversion factor for a 1600m or mile time based on 800m time??
Kobesystem wrote:
Does anyone have a conversion factor for a 1600m or mile time based on 800m time??
mile ~ 800 * 2.25
The is no WR for 1600m so who cares
ukathleticscoach wrote:
The is no WR for 1600m so who cares
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Lots of us who coach at the high school level are interested. Sorry if our interest in the sport offends your sensibilities.
Many of us here are not big proponents of estimates or conversions, despite employing numerous calculations to training and pacing. But there is a telling tale lurking within an athlete's PRs over varying race distances, a RELATIONSHIP that always elicits further investigation.
McMillan claims a 2:15/800m runner is (therefore) capable of running a 5:01 mile and a 10:39 two-mile. A 2:00/800m runner should be capable of (concurrently) running a 4:27 mile and a 9:27 two-mile.
Run a search and check it out.
Keep in mind that any such calculation or mathematical estimate does not, and cannot, account for individual characteristics. As an example, years ago I guided a wispy kid who ran a 4:30 mile in HS, like everyone else seemingly has. At a meet just three days later he ran a 9:03 two-mile. His best 800m effort was just 2:09, which McMillan's calculator estimates to equaling a rather anemic 10:10 two-mile.
The kid was a diesel, not a turbo-diesel as defined by Canova and others here, but a freak-of-nature diesel, as you may be too. What's more common, however, is that HS runners have the inherent speed (e.g., 25-sec/200m or better for a male) but no stamina or endurance allowing them to sustain their God-given speed. Such a relationship points toward the manner and style of training that should probably be undertaken.
This is not official, but a general rule I use when is 2*800 meter time = 1500 time
So if you run 2:00 you can run ~4:00 for 1500
I you then add 100 meters at that 1500 meter pace you can get a rough approximation of 1600 meter time.
2:00*2 = 4:00 + 16 = 4:16 1600
please note that this does not work with more speed-oriented athletes.
If you look at kiprop 800 - 1:43.15 * 2 = 3:26.30, he is a more of an 800/1500 meter runner and this formula works better for 1500/5K types.
I agree with Live not on Evil.
mile ~ 800*2.25
Actually I like a range between 800*2.25 and 800*2.2
Add two to four minutes.
There's no way a HS kid ran a 4:30 mile and could only manage a 2:09 800 at his best. He either never tried or only ran them very early season.
Smelling the BS wrote:
There's no way a HS kid ran a 4:30 mile and could only manage a 2:09 800 at his best. He either never tried or only ran them very early season.
Agreed. I knew a guy who ran a 4:12 mile. His 800 PR was only 1:58. Why? Well, his 1:58 was done in practice. He never raced at distances less than a mile. Surely if he did, he would have eventually gotten 1:53 or so.
There's no way a HS kid ran a 4:30 mile and could only manage a 2:09 800 at his best. He either never tried or only ran them very early season.
Like I said, the kid was an uber diesel kind of freak, the strangest case I'd ever seen, even to this day. But yes, I don't think he was at his best in the 800. Nor did he ever really try at anything in which he didn't possess a natural predisposition, or the capacity to come out victorious. He hated repeats but loved the fast, long volume stuff, so that's what he was given. I'd learned long before that, that for so many HS runners, it was imperative to avoid placing too much 'work' in 'workout.' They need it fun, irrespective of how fast they go.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
The is no WR for 1600m so who cares
honestly, you're the biggest d1ckhead on this forum. everything you post just screams "i'm an azzhole with a small penis".
I knew a guy who ran 4:34 and 2:11. He tried racing the 800 several times and would enter 4*400s for speed, but he never had any.
Agree with Live not on Evil wrote:
Actually I like a range between 800*2.25 and 800*2.2
i find 800x2.2 is the most accurate way to find equivalent times for the 1600. 1:55=4:13, 1:59=4:21.8, 2:02=4:28.4, etc. I find those times match up as far as where they rank in my state. This definitely doesn't mean individual athletes' times will match up this way. I personally ran a 2:00 in high school but never managed to break 4:40 in the mile. Had to do with my body type I think.