Assuming you have a lot of mileage/aerobic training/base etc etc. what do y'all think is the minimum raw 400 speed needed to break 3:50? I've heard people say as fast as 49-50 or as slow as 53-54
Assuming you have a lot of mileage/aerobic training/base etc etc. what do y'all think is the minimum raw 400 speed needed to break 3:50? I've heard people say as fast as 49-50 or as slow as 53-54
I ran 3:47 high and was never able to go any faster than mid-54 in the 400. And even that came in a relay with a running start! (The 1500 was not my event, I was a distance guy.)
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Assuming you have a lot of mileage/aerobic training/base etc etc. what do y'all think is the minimum raw 400 speed needed to break 3:50? I've heard people say as fast as 49-50 or as slow as 53-54
53 low at the slowest I would reckon. hard time running 1:55-1:56 without it, which is probably the slowest you would see an athlete do to be able to run a 4:07 mile. That is showing very good endurance though as well ofcourse.
Steve Jones was a 1:53, 4:00 type. 52 400m runner is my understanding as well.
53high I think.
I would not consider raw speed the biggest indicator of potential in the mile.
But since you asked. 52.5
I would like to see you run 400s easily at 62 That means after any workout, dead legs and tired as hell, you could pound out a 62 400. or do 10 X 400 60 sec rest all under 62
I was a 51 sec 400 runner in high school. Ran 3:45 college
ok. i split 51 high so this might actually be possible!
3:56 and 8:35 PR's btw for 15/3k (college junior, both prs from soph spring)
Plenty of runners have broke 3:50 and never could break 55.0 for the 400. Its only a 4:08 mile. Bill Rodgers could run that and probably couldn't break 56.0 for a 400.
Get in a fast race where you are pulled through and its only 3 times 31.0 for 200's and a 300 kick in 44.
That is if you are capable of 14:05 for 5000 at least at the same time.
14:05 seems a little ambitious.... last year i did 14:40 but i only ran the 5k once and i have more of a mile/3k background than 5k+. if that is the kind of endurance needed to run 3:50 given 51 quarter speed then i've got some serious mileage to do...
No if you have 51.0 quarter speed and can run 14:40 for the 5000 you already have plenty raw speed to break 3:50.
I was talking about guys with bad 400 speed. Plenty of runners have done it with 400 times slower than 55.0 but they were unusual.
Minimum raw speed to break 3:50 for some might be 58 seconds for those types.
If you can run 51 and have already run 14:40 you have plenty 400 speed to break 3:50. You should be able to come close to that in a workout running solo. You don't need any more speed. But don't get away from that. Its your strength.
In a year or with that talent you should be running 14:00 and 8:00 for 3000 and 3:42-4 for 1500.
At least endurance can be improved, maybe takes a little time for some types.
What % of a 400m is aerobic/anaerobic? What % of a 1500 is aerobic/anaerobic? Does the google search satisfy your curiosity? One had very little to do with the other.
I dont think you are far away. My 'official' best 400 was 51.8 (wasnt something I tried more than once and think I could probably have gone a little faster - but dont we all?) and I had pb's of 8.22 for the 3K and 14.46 for the 5K. However, I ran sub 3.50 numerous times with a best of 3.44. I think i was able to do this because I spent a lot of time working on 'floating' at just under 60s pace with short recoveries (i.e. specific endurance not just hammering away trying to get 'speed')
51 high is plenty of speed.
I know people that run in that range for 400 meters that have run in the 7:30s for 3000 meters. So sub 3:50 x 2!
Max. 400 Meter speed is overrated. Speed endurance is the way to go. Do stuff like 5 x 400 @ 60 seconds with short rests. Or 400 - 800 - 400 @ 60'' quarter pace. Or 1000 - 500 - 300 @ 2:33, 1:15, 43. Stuff like this. And do tempoish stuff. Get efficient. You can do it.
i might do it wrote:
Assuming you have a lot of mileage/aerobic training/base etc etc. what do y'all think is the minimum raw 400 speed needed to break 3:50? I've heard people say as fast as 49-50 or as slow as 53-54
Breaking 350 is not easy, but not everyone will need sub 50 400 speed to do it. The 5000 meter runners who can the mid to low 14's can probably get away with 53-55 second 400 speed and still break 350 for the 1500. I did!
There are plenty of 53 second miler/5km types who can't break 3:50!
I would say the cut off is 54 flat
Reading on here you would think it was an advantage to lack speed.
For those bragging how they did it off 55 or whatever, running the odd 400m or relay, usually after you have already raced does not show you true ability over 400m
Shut up ukathleticscoach, you're a clueless ignorant fool.
There is no cut off point except in your head.
Dathan Ritzenhein ran a 400m tt in 54 seconds in high school and he ran I think 4'05 for 1600m. Gerry Lindgren about the same and he ran 4'01 for the full mile on a cinder track.
If you have massive endurance you don't need a lot of speed to run a respectable mile.