If he didn't break 11 I would be shocked!
If he didn't break 11 I would be shocked!
9.2
John Pigskin wrote:
If he didn't break 11 I would be shocked!
I don't know about that, he's a fast dude, but his big plays come more from his amazing instincts and quickness/elusiveness as opposed to straight line speed. I still give him an 11.1 or 11.2ish
hes run a 40 as fast as 4.34 but usually goes in the mid 4.4's. I dont know what kind of speed endurance he has, but it could be anywhere from 10.6-11.0.
10.7
He is quick but I haven't seen any top end speed to make me think he could go any faster.
10 flat on the field
20 flat after a night in the dorms
For reference, Eric Crouch ran a 10.95 for 100m while in college. I would imagine that Crouch was faster in college than Johnny Football is now.
Mexan Texan wrote:
10.7
He is quick but I haven't seen any top end speed to make me think he could go any faster.
Yeah, I'd imagine he would be around 10.7ish. Very good, but would not be near elite for a track athlete.
He could run 10.7 if he trained for a season. If he just ran a race one off, he wouldn't come close to breaking 11.
lulz wrote:
He could run 10.7 if he trained for a season. If he just ran a race one off, he wouldn't come close to breaking 11.
Good distinction.
I'll revise: 10.65-10.70 (FAT) if he was trained for it for 2 months.
Probably still sub-11 hand timed if he just went out and ran it. Much more doubtful if we're talking FAT.
watchout wrote:
Good distinction.
I'll revise: 10.65-10.70 (FAT) if he was trained for it for 2 months.
Probably still sub-11 hand timed if he just went out and ran it. Much more doubtful if we're talking FAT.
Meh, I don't know. It's hard to say because we haven't really seen him have long runs in open space as a foot race.
To put it into perspective, Marqise Lee's 100m pr is 10.7w and he's been competing since age-group track. His best long jump is like 7.65m. Not bad marks, but there are plenty of white Russkis that would shit on those times and marks. That's a guy is who one of the best wide receivers in college football.
JFF is quick and has good vision, so you can have the appearance of being much faster than you actually are. If you're a legit 11.0 guy and have skill, you can look extremely fast on the field since you are rarely running straight down and open field against another guy on similar footing.
Most of the comments here are too optimistic. The majority of high school meets in the US are won by people running in the 11.00 to 11.50 range. And these are considered studs.
There are people on college track teams who run the 100m and struggle to crack the 11.00 second barrier. And people here think Manziel can run 10.70 really ?
Most NFL wide receivers and defensive backs would struggle to run 10.70. In fact at least 50% of them cannot crack 11.00 talk less of Manziel
Joplas wrote:
Most of the comments here are too optimistic. The majority of high school meets in the US are won by people running in the 11.00 to 11.50 range. And these are considered studs.
There are people on college track teams who run the 100m and struggle to crack the 11.00 second barrier. And people here think Manziel can run 10.70 really ?
Most NFL wide receivers and defensive backs would struggle to run 10.70. In fact at least 50% of them cannot crack 11.00 talk less of Manziel
This is very true. I am perplexed at people that think he will run sub 11 without specific training for months, likely at least a full year. I certainly do think he has that kind of talent, but to think he'd run sub 11 without specific training or years of experience is delusional.
The fast college guys that come out and drop fast times usually had run track the majority of their lives--from age group level and on. If you haven't specifically trained for it before, you have no chance.
Joplas wrote:
Most of the comments here are too optimistic. The majority of high school meets in the US are won by people running in the 11.00 to 11.50 range. And these are considered studs.
There are people on college track teams who run the 100m and struggle to crack the 11.00 second barrier. And people here think Manziel can run 10.70 really ?
Most NFL wide receivers and defensive backs would struggle to run 10.70. In fact at least 50% of them cannot crack 11.00 talk less of Manziel
255 high schoolers ran a 10.70 FAT or faster last year (All-Conditions). And I bet there were many more that ran close to that hand timed.
You don't think an NCAA Elite Football athlete can stay within about a half second of 255 high schoolers (10.70+0.50=11.20, 11.20 FAT ~ 11.0h)?
And not that 40y times, even FAT, have a perfect correlation to 100m ability, but 4.53 isn't slow... and if he can run that (again, FAT) for 40y, and had a couple of months to work on extending that combination of speed and acceleration, you think it's crazy that he can get down near 10.70? Or, worse yet, that 50% of professional athletes that run the 40y in 4.40 or better would struggle to run 11.00 for 100m if they worked on it for just a little bit???
Frank Solich wrote:
For reference, Eric Crouch ran a 10.95 for 100m while in college. I would imagine that Crouch was faster in college than Johnny Football is now.
Dude was an athletic freak. Not an NFL player but a freak nonetheless.
255 high schoolers ran a 10.70 FAT or faster last year (All-Conditions). And I bet there were many more that ran close to that hand timed.
How many of these were hand timed versus electronically timed. Handing timing can shave as much as 0.3 sec from an electronic time
Who cares?
Last year he routinely burned black SEC LBs and DBs.
He's fast enough.
watchout wrote:
255 high schoolers ran a 10.70 FAT or faster last year (All-Conditions). And I bet there were many more that ran close to that hand timed.
You don't think an NCAA Elite Football athlete can stay within about a half second of 255 high schoolers (10.70+0.50=11.20, 11.20 FAT ~ 11.0h)?
And not that 40y times, even FAT, have a perfect correlation to 100m ability, but 4.53 isn't slow... and if he can run that (again, FAT) for 40y, and had a couple of months to work on extending that combination of speed and acceleration, you think it's crazy that he can get down near 10.70? Or, worse yet, that 50% of professional athletes that run the 40y in 4.40 or better would struggle to run 11.00 for 100m if they worked on it for just a little bit???
I would say substantially more than 50% of those high school times were either wind assisted or faulty timing. I've seen high school meets start at a 90m mark, set up the wing gauge the wrong direction (if there even is one), run on short tracks, and more. Look at what they run at the big invitationals, nationals, and if they are from a real state, their state meet. You make finals of almost every state if you can run a legit 10.80-10.90, even FL/Texas/Ca. One kid from my area and his teammate, back in high school, made the nation's top list with a 10.4x and 10.6x respectively. Neither made the state meet. They both ran in some ultra shitty, small invitational their school held that had dubious timing and had everybody running .6-.8 prs. I wish that was some one off example, but it happens ALL THE TIME, particularly at the HS level, but even in D3 & JUCO track.
Second, there was a recent study that showed college football players, on average, got slower over the course of their 4 years, but gained something like 20-30lbs of muscle. The majority couldn't come close to matching their high school speed and the ones that can are basically training for track anyway.
40yd times are simply retarded and a non-discussion point. They are handtimed and 1/4 of the total race distance. It is pointless to even mention them.
Long story short, the vast majority would get dusted over 100m without specific training. With that said, the talent level is insane so if they didn't pack on too much muscle and they gave it some legitimate effort in training, they could run extremely fast.
Let me provide some perspective for the rah rah Johnny Manziel can run 10.70 types.
In Australia, there are 4 codes of football which are very popular (Aussie Rules, Rugby League, Rugby Union and Soccer)
And we all know Australia is a top tier athletic nation with some of the best facilities.
In 2010, gatorade sponsored a 100m race inviting the fastest runners in each football code. Each was given time to train specifically for this 100m race and it was worthwhile because of the prize money given by Gatorade.
Gatorade even paid for Usain Bolt to be a starting judge.
And if you know rugby then you know rugby wingers are fast. They are elite top tier athletes.
From the Oz Telegraph:
Lachlan Turner won in 11.10 seconds to beat a quality field of NRL and A-League rivals.
Turner beat home fellow Eastwood winger John Grant (11.15) with Parramatta's Jarryd Hayne (11.20) third.
Canterbury duo Josh Morris (11.44) and Ben Barba (11.45) next best. Then came Cronulla fullback Nathan Gardner (11.77) and Central Coast Mariner Matt Lewis (11.99).
Surprisingly, Inglis was last with a time of 12.48 seconds.
These are the fastest football players in Australia from the topmost Australian sports.
And some here casually say Manziel will run 10.70
re rugby, they don't know how to race and rugby is a mix of aerobic and anaerobic. different from football.
7's are quite a bit different than 15's. a speed demon would have more of an advantage in 7s vs 15s.
not saying you're wrong, just that rugby is different than american football.