ben true 7:36.5 3000 = what for 5000?

Or maybe he is just too slow. Nobody wants to watch a 13:12 who can't make international teams. A guy that is 5th in the world championships and the american record holder is a much bigger draw.

Who cares that this wrote:

Tougher question is how come he couldn't run that Brussels 5k and beat Jager again breaking 13!

Agent?

Phew, you had me worried for a bit there haha.

I see the validity of your arguement, which is that athletes most similar to True would indicate that he's in shape for a 13:15. These are more reliable because True is a similar runner.

However, your point about European athletes is interesting because I don't have to go research dozens of athletes. The IAAF does that for me. In fact, it takes data points from ALL the elite athletes and then gives equivalents. I understand that the tables are not perfect, and I don't think anyone (except maybe ventolin =)) would say that they are. I could see maybe giving True a 13:07-13:10 because athletes of European descent tend to perform better at 3k than 5k. I would say adding 10 seconds to his time is a bit much though don't you think? When I look at his strong performances over 5k this year in addition to the athletes he finished around, I see no reason why a 13:05 would be unreasonable.

If Ben True's 7:36 is the equivalent of 13:15 then it reasonably follows that Evan Jager's 13:02 is the equivalent of a 7:29.

Yeah, seems reasonable.

NOT

psosk wrote:No. They tried.

Here's El G and he missed by 3 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEjACBpYdTg

that vid misses 1st 4.5 minutes of race

i fortunately specially made time to watch it as i felt the record was going that evening - possible historical day

the problem was the pacer completely screwed up the 1st 2k ( didn't even last to 2k )

the pace went too slow & hicham was so desperate he even was "shooing on" the fool to speed up

the guy responded by shooting off with a too quick lap, screwing hicham some more

i didn't think he had a chance of getting close to 7'20 after the 1st 2k, so 7'23 was a near super-human effort

Here's Bekele missing by around 6 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRQOl6zoTJ8

6s !!!

that was a freezing day with pouring rain & the pacer coud only manage a pathetic 5'02 when 4'53 was needed !!!

he was worth the wr that day on a warm, dry day with 4'53/4'54 pacing

The Awards Committee wrote:

If Ben True's 7:36 is the equivalent of 13:15 then it reasonably follows that Evan Jager's 13:02 is the equivalent of a 7:29.

Yeah, seems reasonable.

NOT

I'd say more like 7:31... but we don't need to agree :)

watchout wrote:

The Awards Committee wrote:

If Ben True's 7:36 is the equivalent of 13:15 then it reasonably follows that Evan Jager's 13:02 is the equivalent of a 7:29.

Yeah, seems reasonable.

NOT

I'd say more like 7:31... but we don't need to agree :)

A 13 second difference at 5000 translates to a 5 second difference at 3000?!?

No offense, but is math a very challenging subject for you? Because that could really explain a great deal here.

The Awards Committee wrote:

watchout wrote:

I'd say more like 7:31... but we don't need to agree :)

A 13 second difference at 5000 translates to a 5 second difference at 3000?!?

No offense, but is math a very challenging subject for you? Because that could really explain a great deal here.

Sorry, I was taking Jager's 3k Steeple and 1500m times into account as well when I indicated I could see him running 7:31.