Portland vs. Seattle vs. San Fran

Buffalo, New York.

Easy, Portland...Its San Fran without the cost of living and homeless people...Seattle with better weather and less congestion....granted Portland does have homeless people, congestion and gloomy winters, overall it is the best out of the three. Go Timbers!

Do not move to Seattle. It's a cool city, but the people here are intolerable. Bunch of Prius-driving, pseudo-intellectual pricks. Dave Matthews lives here and even he drives a Prius. The sales tax is like 10% and the revenue apparently doesn't go into building roads, because the roads here suck. Nothing ever gets done because the politicians like to discuss things to death.

If you want to live in a big city, I think it is a toss up.

If you want to live near a big city for professional reasons and live outside the big city, SF is the obvious choice. Live in Marin if you like to be in a quiet rich area with amazing running and views. Live in Oakland if you want a little more breathing room than the city provides while not sacrificing being in a place with tons of 20s something people going to bars/music venues, etc. Running is still excellent if you live near the hills in Oakland or along the shoreline in Oakland. Either way your commute will be 15-35 minutes into the city, depending where in the city you work and how close you are to bart in Oakland.

SF is going to have much better year-round escapes. Skiing is 2.5 hours away. Ocean is either a block away or 30 minutes away, depending where you live in the SF area. Sailing in one of the best places in the world is literally right there. Multiple world acclaimed wine regions minutes away (even closer than for portland or seattle). Running trails are at most 5 minutes away if you live the farthest possible from trails in the SF area.

Basically, if you want to move near a city but have additional options besides just big city stuff, SF is better than the other two. Not beating up on portland and seattle, I'd much rather live there than say, Kansas city or something.

If you are looking for a club to join, I'd say Portland or Seattle are the best choices.

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Sorry, but SF has seen better days. It's deteriorated into a disgusting and filthy sh*thole. Transients and homeless rule the urine covered streets and sidewalks. Basically NYC in the 1970s. It may come back, but's it's going to take a long time and they will need to get rid of the liberal leadership. Portland is a great town, but it's relatively small so keep that in mind. Seattle has a lot of things you're looking for, but it does have a long rainy season with little sunlight - mid Oct to mid April - and some East Coasters can't handle that.

San Fransisco is ridiculously expensive. Not a good place to relocate to unless you're getting a really well paying job.

Portland is cheaper than Seattle, though Seattle is bigger and probably offers more opportunities overall (including probably more job and business opportunities due to a bigger local economy and lower unemployment rates). Otherwise, the two cities are fairly similar and, depending where in the cities you end up, could both be good choices.

FYI - If you want to start your own business, avoid California, Oregon, and Washington like the plague.

early warning system wrote:

FYI - If you want to start your own business, avoid California, Oregon, and Washington like the plague.

Unless you want to attract talented people to work for your company with a good location. Good luck recruiting anyone smart to work for you in Bumfuck, Tennessee.

jamin wrote:

Do not move to Seattle. It's a cool city, but the people here are intolerable.

Given your endless threads on desperate pickup-artist attempts, have you considered that YOU'RE the intolerable one?

jamin wrote:

Nothing ever gets done because the politicians like to discuss things to death.

Which of these states managed to get weed legalized?

San Fran is awesome if you want to work in the tech industry, but you better either know someone at one of the major players (Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc.) or you better get your masters degree or MBA from Stanford, Cal-Berkley or another top tier school. It's expensive and only getting worse. Culture is strong, resources are good, great nature is close by and running is solid.

Seattle is getting bigger and bigger, losing it's charm, becoming outlandishly pricey, but the job market is solid and offers you a lot of different routes to make a good living. Amazon is where I would try to work if I lived there. Running is okay, but you're close to BC, the ocean and mountains, so it's ideal.

Portland is where I decided to move. If you want to start a business, whatever it is, Portland is a great place to do so. People here live a lifestyle of doing what they want, not being defined by money. I swear most the people here work part-time and live life to the fullest. People are genuinely nice and support one another. There are plenty of homeless people, especially in the inner core, but there are very affordable housing options in up-and-coming neighborhoods. Running is on par with San Fran and Seattle and access to the ocean or Mt. Hood is all within 1.5 hours. From a cost of living standpoint it's more affordable and from a starting your own business standpoint it's the best place to try and start one (of the three options you laid out).

early warning system wrote:

FYI - If you want to start your own business, avoid California, Oregon, and Washington like the plague.

WA and OR - two states to legalize a Death with Dignity law.

San Francisco is located in CA.

California is a failed state. A financial and demographic nightmare. Obamunism cubed. And it is going to get worse.

Leaving aside the massive problems with SF specifically, you do want to live anywhere in California.

Portland and Seattle are both wonderful cities, and quite similar. Seattle is richer and larger. Portland is smaller, poorer, more affordable, and the traffic is more manageable.

[quote]lol lol lol lol wrote:

San Francisco is located in CA.

California is a failed state. A financial and demographic nightmare. Obamunism cubed. And it is going to get worse.

Leaving aside the massive problems with SF specifically, you do want to live anywhere in California.

Portland and Seattle are both wonderful cities, and quite similar. Seattle is richer and larger. Portland is smaller, poorer, more affordable, and the traffic is more manageable.[/quote

Yea, CA is an absolute hellhole now. It's ruled by gangs and the pornography industry. Not a place to build a family.

Hardloper wrote:

jamin wrote:

Nothing ever gets done because the politicians like to discuss things to death.

Which of these states managed to get weed legalized?

That was done through a voter initiative, not a law passed by the state legislature.

watchout wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

Which of these states managed to get weed legalized?

That was done through a voter initiative, not a law passed by the state legislature.

That's because all the legislators were high.

That would explain some of the decisions they make...

Portland is the least scenic of the 3 but I would go with it because it's the most livable. Portland looks like a dirty river town, but cost of living and traffic is less. Some people are a little eccentric & annoying, but you can avoid them in parts of town.

Seattle people are weird & not in a cool way. They're the type of people who walk down the street with their head down & both hands tightly holding their coffee. If you ask them a question they become startled & don't know what to do. Seattle has the largest amount of people who go to movies alone compared to any other city in the world. Lots of multiple sclerosis & mental illnesses in that town too. Probably the rain.

San Francisco people are very friendly & more with it.

intercity wrote:

San Francisco people are very friendly & more with it.

Friendly? Uh, yea ok. I've had more people in SF tell me to go fvck myself than I count on one hand just for asking a question.