Renato Canova slamming American marathoners?

It sounds like he is referring to American marathon runners in general.

troof be told wrote:

It sounds like he is referring to American marathon runners in general.

Still, what about the first part?

Look man, we have the following at these World Championships -

800m - Silver (M) and potential Gold/Silver/Bronze in W

1500m - Silver (W) and potential medal in M

SC - 5th Place (M)

5000m - 6/7th W's and 6/8/10th M's

10,000m - 4th Place

In the Marathon, we did not have a Top 10 Finish or anything remotely resembling our success in the distances on the track. That is what Canova is noticing and I concur.

Considering our marathoning depth 30 years ago, something isn't right with U.S. marathoning.

Eggleston ran well considering his abilities and current pr. The problem is that the US has only 5 guys under 2:15 so far in 2013 with a best of 2:12. I don't know what the problem is but the marathon is by far the weakest event in the US and the team for 2016 is wide open. At this point Ritz seems to be the only hope. If he runs smart I can see him running 2:07 flat in Chicago but if he goes out with the leaders in 62 he could be in for a long day. Not sure what the future holds for the US in this event. Rupp???

C'mon man,

Ryan Hall = scrub

Ritz = Ok, but not a medal threat

Abdi = not a medal threat

yuiop wrote:

Considering our marathoning depth 30 years ago, something isn't right with U.S. marathoning.

Yes great depth on 25.5-26 mile courses. It's nice to be able to subtract a minute or 5 from the current marathoners to see what they would be able to run on most of the courses from 30 years ago.

Also, it was clear that the Kenyans did even worst than USA based on previous PB's.

1 DNF and 3 mediocre finishers- (9th, 12th and 25th)...

Bwocl wrote:

Look man, we have the following at these World Championships -

800m - Silver (M) and potential Gold/Silver/Bronze in W

1500m - Silver (W) and potential medal in M

SC - 5th Place (M)

5000m - 6/7th W's and 6/8/10th M's

10,000m - 4th Place

In the Marathon, we did not have a Top 10 Finish or anything remotely resembling our success in the distances on the track. That is what Canova is noticing and I concur.

I agree with Canova's criticisms too- what is the problem that we can't get more guys running sub 2:10? We have guys going 1:00-1:03 in the HM, who if properly trained should be under 2:10, NOT at 2:11-14 or slower. Why aren't more 27:00-28:30 guys going to the marathon, where they could have greater success and make more money? Even the Hanson's can't get it right, with their single 2:10 guy- Bill Squires had faster and greater depth than them, both men and women, and his athletes raced more. Maybe the key IS racing more.

Granted, money is pulling our top runners towards NYC/etc, but that's no excuse when Jeff Eggleston (and Bill Rodgers and Co. back in the day) would run the Olympics/World Champs and come back for NYC. To show how we stack up to other countries (as taken from another thread):

11 363 Yared ASMEROM ERI 2:08:22 2:07:27

12 364 Beraki BEYENE ERI 2:09:01

13 366 Yonas KIFLE ERI 2:07:34

14 369 Kiflom SIUM ERI 2:11:39 2:11:09

15 370 Samuel TSEGAY ERI 2:07:28

18 417 Lelisa DESISA ETH 2:04:45 2:04:45

19 425 Tsegay KEBEDE ETH 2:06:04 2:04:38

20 427 Feyisa LILESA ETH 2:07:46 2:04:52

21 430 Tadese TOLA ETH 2:04:49 2:04:49

22 431 Yemane TSEGAY ETH 2:04:48

27 662 Masakazu FUJIWARA JPN 2:08:51 2:08:12

28 663 Hiroyuki HORIBATA JPN 2:08:24

29 675 Yuki KAWAUCHI JPN 2:08:14 2:08:14

30 676 Kazuhiro MAEDA JPN 2:08:00 2:08:00

31 680 Kentaro NAKAMOTO JPN 2:08:35 2:08:35

33 707 Nicholas KIPKEMBOI KEN 2:06:33 2:06:33

34 713 Bernard Kiprop KIPYEGO KEN 2:07:53 2:06:29

35 714 Michael Kipkorir KIPYEGO KEN 2:06:58 2:06:48

36 715 Bernard Kiprop KOECH KEN 2:04:53 2:04:53

37 723 Peter Kimeli SOME KEN 2:05:38 2:05:38

66 1124 Jeff EGGLESTON USA 2:14:57 2:12:03

67 1171 Daniel TAPIA USA 2:15:28

68 1175 Carlos TRUJILLO USA

ummmm no wrote:

Yes great depth on 25.5-26 mile courses. It's nice to be able to subtract a minute or 5 from the current marathoners to see what they would be able to run on most of the courses from 30 years ago.

Yeah in those dark ages where no one had Jones Counters, bicycles or measuring tape.

Bwocl wrote:

Look man, we have the following at these World Championships -

800m - Silver (M) and potential Gold/Silver/Bronze in W

1500m - Silver (W) and potential medal in M

SC - 5th Place (M)

5000m - 6/7th W's and 6/8/10th M's

10,000m - 4th Place

In the Marathon, we did not have a Top 10 Finish or anything remotely resembling our success in the distances on the track. That is what Canova is noticing and I concur.

Are you serious?

We didn't have anyone in the top 10 in the marathon because NONE of our top marathoners wanted to run it. We have 10+ guys better than Jeff Eggleston but none of them ran it because the economics of the marathon are different.

What I'm wondering is Canova writes this as if we don't have ANYBODY who can contend for a medal. Are you sure about that?

J.R. wrote:

ummmm no wrote:

Yes great depth on 25.5-26 mile courses. It's nice to be able to subtract a minute or 5 from the current marathoners to see what they would be able to run on most of the courses from 30 years ago.

Yeah in those dark ages where no one had Jones Counters, bicycles or measuring tape.

We could put men on the moon but measuring out an accurate 26.2 mile stretch of road was just too much for the technology of the time.

....don't care how good "so called" coach Renato Canova is, I wished he would crawl back under a rock....with his opinions....coaching africans to run distance is like teaching fish to swim, I have no respect for anything he saids....unless you can show me someone he actually developed who wasn't african

Fix your Kenyans suckitude first before calling out America Canova.

Yes, I am serious. Canova is calling out that we don't have the depth in the Marathon that we have in the other events. From 800-10,000m you could replace the 3rd athlete with one just as good. You can't do that with the Marathon in the USA.

crazy raisin wrote:

Are you serious?

We didn't have anyone in the top 10 in the marathon because NONE of our top marathoners except Ritz had valid qualifying times

Fixed that for you.

RuKiddingMe!! wrote:

....don't care how good "so called" coach Renato Canova is, I wished he would crawl back under a rock....with his opinions....coaching africans to run distance is like teaching fish to swim, I have no respect for anything he saids....unless you can show me someone he actually developed who wasn't african

Sergey Lebid was pretty good.

He does have a point.

Since the dark ages of the 90s, we have gotten way better at every event, especially the 5000m and 10000m. You would expect to see similar improvement at the marathon.

Instead, we are hardly better at the marathon. A little better on the top end, with Ritz and Hall well under 2:10, and Abdi and Meb 2:08 guys who have a good competition record. But where are the rest of the 2:10 level guys we should have? I thought we'd see more of that after Brian Sell's success, but there is nobody like him around right now. Perhaps Eggleston will be the next Brian Sell...?

There are enough 27:30-28:30 guys in the US who have little chance of making it in the 10000m who ought to be looking at a career in the marathon. Not sure why they're not making the transition.

Yes, Ritz could be in for a long if he goes out in (high) 62s. However, given last year at Chicago, and one more year of solid training, it's high time to see the best he can do. That's his view. Don't you agree (even if he might blow up)?

Graeme McDowell wrote:

Eggleston ran well considering his abilities and current pr. The problem is that the US has only 5 guys under 2:15 so far in 2013 with a best of 2:12. I don't know what the problem is but the marathon is by far the weakest event in the US and the team for 2016 is wide open. At this point Ritz seems to be the only hope. If he runs smart I can see him running 2:07 flat in Chicago but if he goes out with the leaders in 62 he could be in for a long day. Not sure what the future holds for the US in this event. Rupp???