Seems like high school guidance counselors hype it up and the government entices kids with free money for not only their tuition but their room and board too. Most of them are clueless about the actual value of a college degree to employers.
Seems like high school guidance counselors hype it up and the government entices kids with free money for not only their tuition but their room and board too. Most of them are clueless about the actual value of a college degree to employers.
pretty much.
Maybe if you go to fake schools like trade schools af for profit crappies like Phoenix and itt tech. Regardless, unless you frugally work hard and try to succeed in college you are gonna get what you deserve...it's your fault if you just coasted and didn't join any clubs or partake in any internships.
You think trade schools are fake? You're a moron. They're a better investment than the majority of universities right now. Especially when you major in liberal arts, etc.
Bijoux wrote:
Maybe if you go to fake schools like trade schools af for profit crappies like Phoenix and itt tech. Regardless, unless you frugally work hard and try to succeed in college you are gonna get what you deserve...it's your fault if you just coasted and didn't join any clubs or partake in any internships.
Bijoux wrote:
it's your fault if you just coasted and didn't join any clubs or partake in any internships.
I agree, but there would be better decision making if kids were spending their own money. Eliminate student loans.
Try a useful major like Engineering or Math. These are worth the long haul if you're in a good program, unlike useless English, Philosophy, Music, etc. majors. Or just try with trade schools.
Yes. Look at the student loan crisis. If you can't pay off your student loans after college, chances are the degree wasn't worth the price.
Avalon wrote:
Try a useful major like Engineering or Math. These are worth the long haul if you're in a good program, unlike useless English, Philosophy, Music, etc. majors. Or just try with trade schools.
If you know how to leverage yourself, you can be successful with literally any major. The problem too many college kids face is that they spend more time drinking than they do developing a well-rounded personality.
According to my collegeprofessor in feminism, anthropology is the best choice for a college major.
My masters is in higher ed and student affairs and I work at a university. I completely agree with you. What an 18 year old kid feels or thinks is "free" has a high cost in their mid-late twenties, especially if mom and dad don't care/don't help/are clueless.
Think of it like exercise- it just makes your mind healthier. You have knowledge and you know how to access knowledge to grow even more.
Wait until the day you're hanging out with a group of uneducated adults and you have some out of body experience like- Am I really here with all these dumb people?
The scams are in the college majors.
It is all in what you choose ... anthropology, art history, philosophy, ethnic studies, etc. have very little value in the real world where you have to get a JOB.
In today's world, guidance counselors just can't say to a kid "you should look at a career in grocery sacking or fast food".
I think a great many people are just in college as a way to tread water until they're 22. In the USA it's OK to spend those years "in college" even if you're majoring in a stupid major, or "undecided" as opposed to working.
What we've done is water down our HS to the point that you get a diploma for just showing up for 12 yrs. It's a piece of garbage. Nobody considers it an accomplishment at all, "hey congratulations! You're 18 and you managed to live this long and not end up in Jv corrections!" That's about what getting a diploma means.
Now people go to college to learn a lot of stuff they should have learned in HS. They struggle, but the government keeps giving them lots of aid money, the schools gladly accept that aid money, and the person doesnt mind going into debt because a degree is still seen as a positive.
It's a big joke. College isnt for everyone, we need more internships, vocational training, and REAL job training for young adults. We need to stop acting like HSers are children, and like people in college are adolescents. It's time to start thinking about growing up.
McFlounder wrote:
The scams are in the college majors.
It is all in what you choose ... anthropology, art history, philosophy, ethnic studies, etc. have very little value in the real world where you have to get a JOB.
In today's world, guidance counselors just can't say to a kid "you should look at a career in grocery sacking or fast food".
i majored in music and made $130k in my first year out of college
stockhausen wrote:
i majored in music and made $130k in my first year out of college
Congratulations, you are one of the 0.001% that has been able to accomplish this with this type of major. You, obviously, are good at what you do, were able to market that to an employer, and in return are well off.
Unfortunately, the other 99.999% of college students with degrees in music, art, history, anthropology, english, etc. are not able to find those opportunities. Even if they do, they have a very hard time marketing and selling themselves as a beneficially addition to a company/organization/government entity.
YES IT IS A SCAM, A WELL DESIGNED BUSINESS SCAM THAT THE GOVERNMENT WONT DO CRAP ABOUT BECUZ THEY VALUE 'EDUCATION'. ALL THOSE USELESS DEGREES THAT CANT GET YOU A JOB LEAVE MANY YOUNG/TALENTED GRADS UNEMPLOYED OR WORKING A NON-DEGREE RELEVANT JOB. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT BY GRADS WHO CANT GET A JOB. WONDER HOW THAT WOULD UNFOLD IN COURT?
It isn't 1980. One must be a very, very wise consumer when it comes to college.
The educational industrial establishment has used federal student loan and grant programs (the loans are the worst) to raise prices to astronomical levels, way beyond inflation.
What matters is value, and most college experiences today do not carry much value.
Academics are among the biggest rent seekers on the planet. Trust them at your own peril. Buyer beware, and hate debt with a passion.
jamin wrote:
Seems like high school guidance counselors hype it up and the government entices kids with free money for not only their tuition but their room and board too. Most of them are clueless about the actual value of a college degree to employers.
Not sure how college is a scam. Colleges don't guarantee you a job.
Also, people with a college degree have a lower unemployment rate than those that don't.
Finally, for specific fields like certain sciences and math, a college degree is VERY useful.
I would say it's useful even for an English major. Knowing how to write effectively is important.
Flagpole wrote:
Not sure how college is a scam.
It's a deceptive operation. To see what I mean, go to your state university's web sites for its different programs, including bogus ones like Art History or whatever. You'll see that the programs like to tout how "You can go into numerous industries with a degree in X". That's patently false for the bogus majors like Art History and Scandinavian Studies. And I think it's a big exaggeration for the general-type STEM majors like Physics, Math and Statistics. They tell Physics students, "You can go on and become a quant. Lots of guys on Wall Street have Physics degrees." That's true only if you get a PhD in Physics, have good connections and can demonstrate financial knowledge.
sue 'em