Well this just sucks...
The OP has been waiting years to entertain his lil self with that thread title...
A Duck wrote:
The OP has been waiting years to entertain his lil self with that thread title...
thread title sounds good to me
Good title. Because this sucks.
Gay pulls out.
F*** me, Gay. Damn it.
But seriously - WTF?
The extreme irony now is if Bolt is the clean one and everyone's doping to try and catch up, lol.
Bolt is too big to fail. Gay was becoming a threat to big business. He had to be taken down.
Urine idiot. Gay coming back on Bolt would have been a great rivalry. I hate this news as much as I hate his agent. That is the only for solice in this sad story.
money talks wrote:
Bolt is too big to fail. Gay was becoming a threat to big business. He had to be taken down.
wr potential wrote:
The extreme irony now is if Bolt is the clean one and everyone's doping to try and catch up, lol.
Yeah, and Lance was clean too. All the dopers were trying to catch up.
I am very sorry about this. His initial remarks suggest the kind of standup person he is in other respects. What is his explanation going to be about this person that he trusted, a supplement supplier or doctor who said something was legit or a person supposed to make sure he was testing clean?
I'm extremely bummed to hear about this. But I'm gonna hold out judgement until more facts surface. I think it's entirely possible that Gay could have mistakenly taken a banned substance.
jjjjjjjjj wrote:
I am very sorry about this. His initial remarks suggest the kind of standup person he is in other respects. What is his explanation going to be about this person that he trusted, a supplement supplier or doctor who said something was legit or a person supposed to make sure he was testing clean?
This was my initial thought when I read the AP story and his quotes/statement. I read it as "I took a banned substance. I was told it was okay. It was (obviously) not. This is my responsibility.
The real irony of this story, is that people are surprised.
Well, it was hard for me to pick which of the threads to weigh in on, but I picked this one because of its excellent title!
Do you guys remember this thread I started earlier this year:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5031257
The important parts:
"He wants to PR at all those distances.
I would dearly love to see him improve on his 44.89 400m time. He will apparently only do early-season 400's:
http://www.athleticsweekly.com/news/tyson-gay-targets-early-season-400m-best/
But, oops! There's that visit to a foreign clinic, and who did he take with him? The guy who letsrunners like to call "Captain SARMS", who was just eclipsed by the most disgustingly dirty athlete I have seen since the Jamaicans, Aries Merritt.
It looks like Oliver needed to try something different, because in 2012 he had no answer for Merritt.
And as if letsrunners needed any more fodder for discussion, check out "Star" "working on" Lolo, in what appears to be his living room, at the bottom of this page:
http://theriptool.com/rip-muscle-injury-prevention-tool.htm?t=081120120957
Have at it, letsrunners!"
"Apparently this guy also works with Jamaicans, at least according to this board post on the web:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056719782
Big surprise."
Well, now we will get some more information. A 9.75 guy doping? No kidding.
I have my own Project Believe, as I have described on this board: I believe that every single sprinter who has ever actually recorded a wind-legal 9.80 or below has been doping.
Johnson
Montgomery
Mullings
Gatlin
Gay
All caught.
Bolt
Blake
Powell
Carter* (bogus Rieti timing)
Greene
All not caught. All doping. And I mean seriously doping, not like Blake's methylhexaneamine bust.
Notice that 4 of the 5 never caught are Jamaicans running today. That is NOT coincidence, it is evidence of a systematic cover-up.
It would be easy enough to turn people on Greene, but at this point it would likely be more trouble than it is worth. With regard to the others, we have to wait for the Jamaican positives to be released to see if more on the list go down.
By saying the above, I'm not saying that it is actually impossible for a great sprinter to go 9.80 or slightly below under absolutely perfect conditions, with the perfect race, at the lifetime peak of fitness--I'm saying that the odds of that confluence are vanishingly low, to the extent that it hasn't yet happened in sprinting history.
The best candidates to have yet achieved this were Gay at 9.69 (+2.0), Bolt at 9.76 (-0.1), and maybe Powell at some point.
Was Gay using during that 9.69 (+2.0)? Who knows. I'm always suspicious of a max legal wind reading. He could have gone 9.69 (+3.0), who knows. It was in China, so that's not convincing, either.
In any event, one of the best candidates goes down. I would have to say that the next-best candidate would be Bolt at that 9.76--although that is also suspect.
When will people get this? Will you get it now?
It's all Ben's fault, because he set the precedent. You guys have no idea how fast a 10-flat is. You think that because guys run sub-10, that distance guys can go 12, and that Rudisha can break 11, and that Levins can do 11.5 from a stand. No effing way.
It takes an historically special person to get to 9.8x, and only a few have done it cleanly and verifiably, and even then only rarely.
Anybody, ANYBODY, who is running sub-par and goes to a doctor or clinic, especially one with access to high-quality pharma, for an improvement in performance, is doping. Period. Look at Vicaut--he goes to a dance instructor, not a doctor. Clean people go to their coach, or to a physio or massage--or, most often, to bed. Dirty people go to doctors, because they can prescribe and have access to quality pharma, not like the sketchy Mexican stuff made by German ex-pats.
All that remain are Blake and Powell, because Bolt will never be caught. Bolt is protected. Why do you think Bolt came out so slowly this year, but Gay came out like he was shot out of a cannon? Same with Blake, because he is so close to Bolt.
Also, for you guys who will say that I have been a rampant Gay supporter, I have said that his 9.69 (+2.0) was the one that was believable, if only just:
"I have already stated it plainly, I hesitate to do it again for your benefit--but since you apparently have difficulty with it, here it is:
Bolt doped massively en route to his goofed and negative-leaned 9.69, and his 9.58
Bolt generally competes "cleanly", though, unless you consider his past use to have ongoing beneficial effects. He is currently competing "cleanly" in my opinion. He also competed "cleanly" last year, up to and including his brilliant 9.76
Bolt dopes massively and quickly for championships, as he did in 2012.
I do not believe Gatlin is currently doping. His times and more importantly his race are very consistent, and believable, even though he is doing it flying around the world. However, he absolutely COULD be doping, as Merritt 2012 proved to me that it is possible for a US athlete to get away with even massive doping.
I do not believe that Gatlin has been doping since his reentry into competition, although I do concede the possibility. His 9.79 from 2012 is right on the line or just over for me, but I give him the benefit of the doubt there, like I do for Gay at 9.69 (+2.0), and Bolt at 9.76 (-0.1). It is believable, but only just. I do not expect to see him repeat it."
I never had faith in Gay's low-9.7x performances. Also, the miracle of 9.80 after 1 or 2 months of training.
lol
Maybe I should start some of that stuff, I could go from 11.8 to a masters world record 10.8 in a month or two.
And here's the other thing I've been saying:
the worst thing about egregious dopers is that they set a believability precedent for those who follow.
Look at Gay--he's cruising along, then comes Bolt at 9.58
All of a sudden, Bolt gets away with it, and the idea that it is possibly to cleanly run 9.58 is in people's heads, so everybody chases Bolt and 9.58
What was previously unthinkable--9.71--is now pedestrian compared to the new egregious WR.
The same thing happened with Johnson. All of a sudden, Greene and Monty come along at 9.79 and 9.78? Not a chance--not cleanly, anyway.
Powell's 9.77's and 9.78 and 9.74 are strange for me. The 9.78 and 9.74 might be able to be discounted because they were done in Rieti. The 9.77's are anomalous, and need more research. The 9.72 is absurd.
And one more thing that I have so far stayed away from talking about:
The track facility in Clermont is owned and operated by...
...a hospital.
You can check out the links on their web page, they are quite proud of it.
What a perfect set-up. The other athletes training at that facility should all be carefully scrutinized.
And who says the sprints are boring?!
lol
What will happen when he expresses contrition, regret, and "candor"?
2-year sanction?
^Who are you to judge what should be mankinds maximum performance across 100m? Bolt is innocent until proven guilty.
lol
Yeah, right.
I thought all fanboys would have shut up by now.
Note coach d's absence--he was the biggest supporter of Gay and "Project Believe".
I still need the most disgusting ones to go down:
Bolt
Blake
Jeter
Merritt
How that will happen, I don't know, because they have all returned to earth this season, although they are all improving.