In Edmonton today. Symmonds wins in 1:44.high, beating Solomon by a couple tenths. Looks like he still has the advantage in a slower race.
Both of them destroyed the rest of the field as Rutt was third almost 2 seconds back.
This just may be symmonds year despite losing nationals for the first time in 6 years.
1:44 is nothing for these dudes homie.
booyahh wrote:
In Edmonton today. Symmonds wins in 1:44.high, beating Solomon by a couple tenths. Looks like he still has the advantage in a slower race.
Both of them destroyed the rest of the field as Rutt was third almost 2 seconds back.
This just may be symmonds year despite losing nationals for the first time in 6 years.
A slow race which doesn't suit Solomon's style and Solomon stumbled slightly on the second lap on the backstretch.
So? Worlds could very well be won in 1:43.high or 1:44 flat, which at that point will be just as slow relative to their fitness as today's race was, giving Symmonds a sizable advantage.
Not to mention that symmonds spotted solomon a full second at the bell at USAs. They are in very similar shape right now and either one could medal at worlds.
booyahh wrote:
So? Worlds could very well be won in 1:43.high or 1:44 flat, which at that point will be just as slow relative to their fitness as today's race was, giving Symmonds a sizable advantage.
Not to mention that symmonds spotted solomon a full second at the bell at USAs. They are in very similar shape right now and either one could medal at worlds.
Unlikely that Solomon or Rudisha or....are going to let the WC go out slow and fall to a 1:44 pace. The first 400 will likely go through no slower than 49 and when that happens, Symmonds is at a disadvantage.
Middle Distance Analyst wrote:
[quote]booyahh wrote:
Unlikely that Solomon or Rudisha or....are going to let the WC go out slow and fall to a 1:44 pace. The first 400 will likely go through no slower than 49 and when that happens, Symmonds is at a disadvantage.
Yep. Even Symmonds said this in his USA's interview. He said that if it goes out in 1:14 at the 600, he can't keep up, but maybe Solomon can. I think that Symmonds has the edge in a slower race though.
Middle Distance Analyst wrote:
booyahh wrote:So? Worlds could very well be won in 1:43.high or 1:44 flat, which at that point will be just as slow relative to their fitness as today's race was, giving Symmonds a sizable advantage.
Not to mention that symmonds spotted solomon a full second at the bell at USAs. They are in very similar shape right now and either one could medal at worlds.
Unlikely that Solomon or Rudisha or....are going to let the WC go out slow and fall to a 1:44 pace. The first 400 will likely go through no slower than 49 and when that happens, Symmonds is at a disadvantage.
Have you heard how Rudisha is doing at this point? Don't think he has raced since dropping out before one of the US races last month. Hopefully he'll be in good shape for Worlds but if not, he may not be able to do as fast a pace.
Maybe 1-2? In that case I couldn't care less who wins.
Slangblade wrote:
Middle Distance Analyst wrote:[quote]booyahh wrote:
Unlikely that Solomon or Rudisha or....are going to let the WC go out slow and fall to a 1:44 pace. The first 400 will likely go through no slower than 49 and when that happens, Symmonds is at a disadvantage.
Yep. Even Symmonds said this in his USA's interview. He said that if it goes out in 1:14 at the 600, he can't keep up, but maybe Solomon can. I think that Symmonds has the edge in a slower race though.
Nick doesn't need to keep up. He just needs to run his race and pick up the pieces of anyone who thought they cold run 1.5 secs under WR pace through 600. His US race was encouraging that either he or Solomon might take down th US record in the right race, but neither should go out in 1:14 unless they improve a lot.
Do you realize what an anomaly the Olympic 800 was? I can guarantee it's not going to go freaking 1:14 through 600 this year. Rudisha himself even said that he didn't want to race Moscow the same way he did London. And he's hurt still and so is Amos. Very very likely the final will be won in 1:43.pt. No one will be able to solo like Rudisha did. The only reason everyone else ran so fast is because he was a world record pace rabbit for the whole field, and he was probably good for close to 1:40 flat if someone took him through 400-500 on pace.
No way in any other race except the Olympic final does Amos run 1:41.7, and he won't even be in it. So again, I wouldn't be worried about anyone soloing a sub 1:42 for the win. Not gonna happen.
Solomon will probably get excited, take it out in 49 flat and then get devoured. Symmonds for silver. a 1:43 race is gonna be perfect for him if he's in 1:42.mid shape.
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Khaki has disappeared, but Aman hasn't. He won't make the mistake of trying to cover Rudisha in a fast first lap like last year. He will be just as dangerous as Symmonds and Solomon isn't Rudisha.
booyahh wrote:
Solomon will probably get excited, take it out in 49 flat and then get devoured. Symmonds for silver. a 1:43 race is gonna be perfect for him if he's in 1:42.mid shape.
Solomon barely lost, and it was only because of the wind out there today. Remove the wind and Solomon would've won.
I was surprised how little Symmonds actually had left, but Moscow will be different. Its impossible to predict who will be the best of the two, they are so close matched that it will be a combination of shape and tactics.
Why did Solomon choose to let it go out slow? Should have passed the rabbit (assuming there was one).
Would be awesome. Brandon Johnson may best both Solomon and symmonds... Guy ran 10.44 and 20.86 in high school!! Has the best pure speed of any 800 runner in the world right now and hasn't even been focusing on the event very long. Could be trouble for everyone.
kennster wrote:
Why did Solomon choose to let it go out slow? Should have passed the rabbit (assuming there was one).
Solomon let the rabbit go.
booyahh wrote:
Would be awesome. Brandon Johnson may best both Solomon and symmonds... Guy ran 10.44 and 20.86 in high school!! Has the best pure speed of any 800 runner in the world right now and hasn't even been focusing on the event very long. Could be trouble for everyone.
Should have a good idea pretty soon how Johnson may measure up to the worlds best at this time. The Diamond league event in Lausanne is on July 4, and he'll be going up against Amos, Aman, Bosse, and Olivier.
Regardless of what Rudisha may or may not have said, anyone that thinks he's going out slow in the final is a misguided fool. And if he does, then he's either injured or not 100% and will be vulnerable. Rudisha is not a sit and kick guy, and when he's lost it's been in those situations.
booyahh wrote:
Do you realize what an anomaly the Olympic 800 was? I can guarantee it's not going to go freaking 1:14 through 600 this year. Rudisha himself even said that he didn't want to race Moscow the same way he did London. And he's hurt still and so is Amos. Very very likely the final will be won in 1:43.pt. No one will be able to solo like Rudisha did. The only reason everyone else ran so fast is because he was a world record pace rabbit for the whole field, and he was probably good for close to 1:40 flat if someone took him through 400-500 on pace.
No way in any other race except the Olympic final does Amos run 1:41.7, and he won't even be in it. So again, I wouldn't be worried about anyone soloing a sub 1:42 for the win. Not gonna happen.
Solomon will probably get excited, take it out in 49 flat and then get devoured. Symmonds for silver. a 1:43 race is gonna be perfect for him if he's in 1:42.mid shape.
booyahh wrote:
Would be awesome. Brandon Johnson may best both Solomon and symmonds... Guy ran 10.44 and 20.86 in high school!! Has the best pure speed of any 800 runner in the world right now and hasn't even been focusing on the event very long. Could be trouble for everyone.
Brandon Johnson best 400m in 2005 (46.34). David Rudisha best 400m in 2013 (45.15). Johnson's 100 and 200 meter times are worth 45 high. If he had that speed in high school, then he probably was better a couple of years older. Still don't think he has Rudisha's speed but may be close. Couldn't find Rudisha's 100 and 200m bests.