2013 USA's men's 10000m

Ritz has lost to Derrick twice now this year. This one is easy to predict:

1. Rupp

2. True

3. Derrick

That's a great team.

uphill run wrote:

Ritz has lost to Derrick twice now this year. This one is easy to predict:

1. Rupp

2. True

3. Derrick

That's a great team.

+1. I can't wait to see True in the wc final - the guy is smart and fearless. Derrick and True have massive momentum going with them - but Rupp seems to be on the back foot - he hasn't shown much the last month or two. Maybe he is just training really really hard.

I think you're wrong about Ritz and the heat. At Beijing he came in ninth in the marathon when the temperature was about 80. True, he had cramping problems, but he also had those at the US Trials when the temps were in the 40s. Then in Berlin, he ran 27:22 with the temperature at 77. As for Des Moines, at race time it looks as if the temp will be around 75 and the humidity 50. Not great conditions, but not horrific.Also, True has declared

The Stache wrote:

I would think Rupp, Ritz, and Derrick in this. True is the very big question mark - will he run? can he hang? There are some wrinkles to consider. IIRC, Ritz has not handled heat very well in the past.

That part of the country typically is quite warm and humid this time of year. If it's hot, I'm taking Rupp and Derrick 1-2. Who handles the heat better between Ritz and True?

If it's cool, I'm taking Rupp and Ritz, with Derrick and True fighting it out for 3rd. I have a really hard time counting out Derrick for a lock on top 2, but True did take him at WXC.

Good points on the heat. I also didn't know Derrick has beaten Ritz twice this year.

The big question is if True runs.

The Stache wrote:

Good points on the heat. I also didn't know Derrick has beaten Ritz twice this year.

The big question is if True runs.

How do you not know that? Is this the first big race of the year that you're following?

Yeah but would Derrick have beaten Ritz if he didn't run with the leaders at Pre. Ritz ran with some balls, which I think showed a lot confidence.

Am I missing something? Why wouldn't True run?

True may focus on the 5000.

Well, True hasn't declared yet. And I thought in an interview he said he was considering the 5000.

I knew Derrick took Ritz at Pre, but what was the other race?

Teg is not running at all. He is going to run in the USA 1/2 Marathon Champs 2 days later in Minn.

As I stated above, True has declared. PERIOD.Men 10,000m - MenName Affiliation Mark Status DeclarationGalen Rupp Nike 27:30.90 qualified declaredChris Derrick Nike 27:31.38 qualified declaredMatt Tegenkamp Nike 27:33.94 qualified declaredDathan Ritzenhein Nike 27:36.09 qualified declaredBenjamin True Saucony 27:41.17 qualified declaredRyan Vail Brooks 27:44.05 qualified declaredAaron Braun adidas 27:44.58 qualified declaredGirma Mecheso Oklahoma State University 27:52.38 qualified declaredLuke Puskedra 27:56.62 qualified declaredRobert Curtis Hansons-Brooks Distance Project 27:58.48 qualified declaredChristopher Landry Mizuno 27:59.22 qualified declaredAron Rono 28:06.74 qualified declaredJacob Riley Hansons-Brooks Distance Project 28:08.36 qualified declaredTyler Pennel ZAP Fitness Reebok 28:23.54 qualified declaredJohn Gilbertson The Master's College 28:30.35 accepted declaredDustin Emerick Hansons-Brooks Distance Project 28:33.35 accepted declaredScott Smith adidas 28:33.94 accepted declaredJared Ward Sr 28:36.15 accepted declaredStephen Furst adidas 28:38.16 accepted declared

The Stache wrote:

Well, True hasn't declared yet. And I thought in an interview he said he was considering the 5000.

I knew Derrick took Ritz at Pre, but what was the other race?

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The Stache wrote:

Well, True hasn't declared yet. And I thought in an interview he said he was considering the 5000.

I knew Derrick took Ritz at Pre, but what was the other race?

Ritz needs to run like he did in 2009 where he took the pace at around 3k and dropped everyone but Rupp. Rupp outkicked him but he was a strong second with no one closing on him. If he's acclimated the heat should help him weaken Derrick and True...not sure how you acclimate for the heat in Park City. Also hope he's not over confident in his kick. Rupp and Derrick barely got by him at Pre but if he waits until the last k or 600 odds are that he will finish 4th. Should be a good one!

The race is this Thursday, 10pm Eastern time!! (Women at 9:20 ET)

Here are the entries (as of Monday morning):

Name Affiliation Mark Status Declaration

Galen Rupp Nike 27:30.90 qualified declared

Chris Derrick Nike 27:31.38 qualified declared

Matt Tegenkamp Nike 27:33.94 qualified declared

Dathan Ritzenhein Nike 27:36.09 qualified declared

Ryan VailBrooks 27:44.05 qualified declared

Aaron Braun adidas 27:44.58 qualified declared

Girma Mecheso OSU 27:52.38 qualified declared

Luke Puskedra 27:56.62 qualified declared

Robert Curtis H-B 27:58.48 qualified declared

Christopher Landry Mizuno 27:59.22 qualified declared

Aron Rono 28:06.74 qualified declared

Jacob Riley H-B 28:08.36 qualified declared

Tyler Pennel ZAP 28:23.54 qualified declared

John Gilbertson 28:30.35 accepted declared

Dustin Emerick H-B 28:33.35 accepted declared

Scott Smith adidas 28:33.94 accepted declared

Jared Ward Sr 28:36.15 accepted declared

Stephen Furst adidas 28:38.16 accepted declared

Benjamin True Saucony 27:41.17 qualified [NOT yet declared]

1. So is Teg really running? ... or possibly just pacing/tactics for some of his team (he helped Solinsky try and run the kick out of Lagat a few years back).

2. It looks like Derrick, Ritz and True will be battling for the 2nd and 3rd spots. How do you see it playing out? Will a dark horse like Bobby Curtis get in the mix. He has some decent times this year and maybe he's timed his peak to get back to 27:2x shape for USAs

3. Does the weather give anyone the advantage? It will be fairly warm/humid (High in the mid 80s with a rel. humidity of ~70%) Pollen forecast: high grass, moderate tree/weed.

Does anyone know if there is going to be any live coverage of either 10k's? I don't see anything listed on the USATF website for any coverage on Thursday. Thx!

The second part of what you wrote is exactly Ritz should NOT take the pace by himself. True and Derrick are gonna be right there. If Ritz tries to lead for 15 laps, he's gonna be screwed, and Derrick and True are gonna blow by him. And obviously Rupp can uncork a 1:52 off just about any pace these guys can run. Ritz would be smarter to trade off the lead with those guys and make sure it's decently fast, then make a hard move from 1k out.

I predict that it will be real slow with about 4:05 for the last 1600. Only 4 guys can do this.

1. Rupp

2. True--Beat up Derrick pretty good at World Cross

3. Derrick or Ritz--Beat up Ritz last 2 times out but always comes up short. Too close to call.

5. Curtis--I've got a weird feeling about this one.

I'm surprised a lot of people are picking True over Derrick. True beat him pretty good at world cross, but Derrick got him at US cross, has better PRs in just about every distance, ran a faster 5k already this season than True, and almost beat Rupp in the process.

1. Rupp

2. Derrick

3. True

Too bad Bumby didn't enter, then he could go to worlds in two events.