WOW.
WOW.
What's the big deal?
This was tweeted and retweeted.
Did anyone catch it?
The fact that I watched the whole race an didn't hear it is proof that I have mastered the art of tuning Rawson out as much as possible.
Wondering if anyone actually caught it...
A Duck wrote:
This was tweeted and retweeted.
Did anyone catch it?
The fact that I watched the whole race an didn't hear it is proof that I have mastered the art of tuning Rawson out as much as possible.
Wondering if anyone actually caught it...
It was actually Dwight Stones that said it if I heard correctly. Rawson basically ignored it.
He will definitely have a talkin' to for that comment.
someone had to do it wrote:
A Duck wrote:This was tweeted and retweeted.
Did anyone catch it?
The fact that I watched the whole race an didn't hear it is proof that I have mastered the art of tuning Rawson out as much as possible.
Wondering if anyone actually caught it...
It was actually Dwight Stones that said it if I heard correctly. Rawson basically ignored it.
He will definitely have a talkin' to for that comment.
You know the NCAA is such (use your own word) that there is something good about this... It shows that someone as old and field event oriented as Dwight knows that there is an unaddressed issue of allowing older foreign runners into the NCAA.
It's an old debate, but to me a 25 year old Kenyan, Brit, Ukrainian, or whatever, competing against 20 year olds or 22 years olds, is bogus.
The theory is you are at your peak at 26 (not sure I believe that), so these older runners have a maturity advantage. And if they come from altitude, they have another advantage.
The NCAA needs age limits, and some sort of system of verification that is as strict as WADA.
The thing is: The NCAA only does all these other sports so they can justify the millions the mostly white men make off of NCAA Football and Basketball.
The clock is ticking though...there is a movement among football schools to leave the NCAA and take the money with them.
well he was 22 years old when he was in high school. if the shoe fits.
A Duck wrote:
someone had to do it wrote:It was actually Dwight Stones that said it if I heard correctly. Rawson basically ignored it.
He will definitely have a talkin' to for that comment.
You know the NCAA is such (use your own word) that there is something good about this... It shows that someone as old and field event oriented as Dwight knows that there is an unaddressed issue of allowing older foreign runners into the NCAA.
It's an old debate, but to me a 25 year old Kenyan, Brit, Ukrainian, or whatever, competing against 20 year olds or 22 years olds, is bogus.
The theory is you are at your peak at 26 (not sure I believe that), so these older runners have a maturity advantage. And if they come from altitude, they have another advantage.
The NCAA needs age limits, and some sort of system of verification that is as strict as WADA.
The thing is: The NCAA only does all these other sports so they can justify the millions the mostly white men make off of ootball and Basketball.
The clock is ticking though...there is a movement among football schools to leave the NCAA and take the money with them.
Except the time to discuss/infer to such an issue is not during a national broadcast at a track meet.
Actually he didn't say that. Rewatch the broadcast. Moreover, it was Rawson not Stones who brought up the issue of not knowing the age of Hailes and raising doubt of the integrity of his times as a junior. Stones just tried to use a metaphor that completely made no sense. I rewatched the broadcast and its even weirder than I thought.
A Duck wrote:
WOW.
rummaster wrote:
A Duck wrote:You know the NCAA is such (use your own word) that there is something good about this... It shows that someone as old and field event oriented as Dwight knows that there is an unaddressed issue of allowing older foreign runners into the NCAA.
It's an old debate, but to me a 25 year old Kenyan, Brit, Ukrainian, or whatever, competing against 20 year olds or 22 years olds, is bogus.
The theory is you are at your peak at 26 (not sure I believe that), so these older runners have a maturity advantage. And if they come from altitude, they have another advantage.
The NCAA needs age limits, and some sort of system of verification that is as strict as WADA.
The thing is: The NCAA only does all these other sports so they can justify the millions the mostly white men make off of ootball and Basketball.
The clock is ticking though...there is a movement among football schools to leave the NCAA and take the money with them.
Except the time to discuss/infer to such an issue is not during a national broadcast at a track meet.
WRONG, that is exactly the time to discuss it. You think that every single USC football game since they got bowl banned didn't mention that?
The rules for foreign athletes and the scholarship limits in the NCAA are basically unchanged since 1979.
It is idiocy.
And at least Dwight Stones pays enough attention to the sport to know there is an unaddressed inequity in the NCAA.
The public, as small as it is in this case, needs to know.
It's funny, the Brojo's like to whine about drug cheats/former drug cheats...like they don't like unfairness...but because they visited Kenya...they are like bleed heard liberals and don't point out the unfairness of a...Betsy Saina being 25 winning over 22 year olds.
And you watch Betsy Saina finish, and she shows no joy.
When an American born kid wins an NCAA title...they are pumped!
I'm all for having foreign students and foreign athletes, but the age limits etc. need to be reformed.
If Lukas Verzbicas can get that it would not have been fair for him to stay in high school until age 19 and beat everyone soundly...and double up on his studies and graduate "a year early" from high school...if he can get it...then the Kenyan, Ukranian, Irish, English and other foreign students can get it too.
If you are 24, you shouldn't get to compete in NCAA's anymore.
A Betsy Saina will never in her life appreciate her victories as much as the first American born finisher would.
If there was something like this that started to happen in NCAA football or basket ball, you can be dammed sure the NCAA would have changed the rules a long time ago.
The reason the rules have not been changed is because the only reason you have NCAA track and field and cross country...is so that the NCAA can continue to justify making massive amounts of money for their execs and employees off the backs of these athletes.
And the coaches are just as corrupt. You really think a women's track couch is earning her $300,000 a year salary? Track selling that many tickets? No, it is a subsidy from Football money or basketball money to keep the NCAA ponzi scheme going.
23 Olympians are competing at NCAA's this week.
From other countries.
We're paying to train the athletes that are our competition at the Olympics. And we let them build their confidence beating our youngsters...instead of competing against the pro's like most Olympians do.
It's a real thing, a real problem, and student athletes..after 40 years of this nonsense, are starting to wake up to it:
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/display-article?arId=85152A Duck wrote:
It's an old debate, but to me a 25 year old Kenyan, Brit, Ukrainian, or whatever, competing against 20 year olds or 22 years olds, is bogus.
Right! And we shouldn't allow high school seniors who might be 19 years old to compete against frosh who might be 13. Some schools even allow 7th and 8th graders to compete against high schoolers. Lets end this nonsense now!
Steve Martin wrote:
Right! And we shouldn't allow high school seniors who might be 19 years old to compete against frosh who might be 13. Some schools even allow 7th and 8th graders to compete against high schoolers. Lets end this nonsense now![/quote]
Right! Because those high schoolers and middle schoolers earned scholarships potentially worth over 200k, and if they are competing against older people, they won't look as good! Also, public high schools recruit athletes from all around the country, so one high school could compete a bunch of 18-19 years and clean up! It's really exactly the same situation.
Right!
But, Betsy Saina probably appreciates the college degree she will be receiving while representing her school a lot more than the typical US student. She will also enrich the educational experiences of other members of the student body and track team by providing new perspectives and a diverse peer group. I gained a lot by having team mates from around the globe. Track makes no money, costs schools money, its purpose is to enrich the student experience, not create a minor league training ground for future Olympians. Foreign runners come here to get an education, running provides the route. So you are right they probably do not appreciate the NCAA victory as much, but they appreciate the educational opportunity a lot more. Trying to compare track to football and basketball is silly. A foreign basketball player used to come to US to gain attention for a professional career. That is not the case with track.
"A Betsy Saina will never in her life appreciate her victories as much as the first American born finisher would."
I've read a lot of dumb stuff that can never be proven on this message board, but this sentence has rapidly shot into the top 5. With further consideration, it might jump to number 1.
Dwight Stones needs to be immediately fired and maybe we can have some better announcers.
The age and nationality are two separate issues. Given that the NCAA has no age restrictions, I'm not sure why questioning the veracity of any particular athlete's age is of any interest at all. If you want to impose age restrictions, ok, do that, and then worry about verifying people's ages. Until then, it doesn't matter if he's 17 or 21 or 28 or 45.
Very good American athletes running in college are admittedly rarer than very good foreign athletes running in college, but they still exist. Think Miles Batty. For the record, I have no beef with Batty, Solomon Haile, or the eligibility of either to compete, but if you have any beef with either, you should have a beef with both.
HaileUnlikely wrote:
The age and nationality are two separate issues. Given that the NCAA has no age restrictions, I'm not sure why questioning the veracity of any particular athlete's age is of any interest at all. If you want to impose age restrictions, ok, do that, and then worry about verifying people's ages. Until then, it doesn't matter if he's 17 or 21 or 28 or 45.
Very good American athletes running in college are admittedly rarer than very good foreign athletes running in college, but they still exist. Think Miles Batty. For the record, I have no beef with Batty, Solomon Haile, or the eligibility of either to compete, but if you have any beef with either, you should have a beef with both.
Um. Track as an paper age limit of 25 for D1....has that changed?
incorrect wrote:
"A Betsy Saina will never in her life appreciate her victories as much as the first American born finisher would."
I've read a lot of dumb stuff that can never be proven on this message board, but this sentence has rapidly shot into the top 5. With further consideration, it might jump to number 1.
That comment also proves "A Duck" is not Alberto Salazar, but rather someone related to UOregon who is bitter that the Ducks are NOT a top team. I do not recall Sania at all being an NCAA beater as a freshman student so it is nice for her to at least be getting something out of this system. As another poster mentioned, she will definitely be appreciating her degree far more than the average fratboy American will.
It's an old debate, but to me a 25 year old Kenyan, Brit, Ukrainian, or whatever, competing against 20 year olds or 22 years olds, is bogus.
What about those 26 year old Mormons?
I'm sure she appreciates the flights to Kenya and back that Ihmels pays for...