Alberto Salazar is bad for American distance

Undecidedlydecided wrote:

But for a moment, think if he spoke very openly about his precise methods.

it sounds like you want him to coach your athletes.

there is no "secret to success", show up every day and work hard, day in, day out, for many many years.

there's no magic workout.

The most telling fact about Salazar is he still thinks it's a miracle that he survived 14 minutes of CPR. 14 minutes is about average for heart attack survivors, but in his mind it's some kind of world record.

Baby man wrote:

Some approve and some disapprove. If I were Alberto, I suspect I would be happy with the progress I had made as a coach determined to make the best from the best. Success at times seems to breed contempt, but the value he has created in history can not be eradicated by the people who are determined to chastise those who have made it to the top of their field. This seems to be a common artifact of such contempt for those who break through in his or her respective fields.

You act like all of the drug accusations all have been a result of his success. Your wrong. There have been drug accusations long before he has ever coached Rupp. Drug accusations have followed Alberto for decades.

Undecidedlydecided wrote:

Alberto Salazar is indubitably one of the best coaches in distance running but for other reason is the worst.

Wouldn't that make him dubitably one of the best?

Well, at least he's great for British distance running.

Thundercats_GO wrote:

Well, at least he's great for British distance running.

Super Mo!

Why do you talk about "thyroid medication" and "therapeutic use exemptions" in the same paragraph?I read that Jos Hermans had questions about the use of "thyroid medication" for his athletes. Which international coach, including Jos Hermans, ever expressed outrage about "therapeutic use exemptions"? How do we even know that Salazar is using/abusing TUEs? Do you have any link or a reference?

trainerX wrote:

He is ruining the health and reputations of several of his athletes. Rupp has to take thyroid medications for the rest of his life now. He could have avoided this by simply resting and reducing his training to a load his body can manage naturally. Salazar has no clue about ethics, and the reputations of his athletes here in the US and overseas is horrible. The mainstream media have even picked up Salazar's ethical violations, including the Wall Street Journal. International coaches, including Jos Hermans, are outraged at Salazar's use of Therapeutic Use Exemptions to gain an edge.

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"At the Olympics the Dutch journalists did ask Galen Rupp about his TUEs and he replied according to Knippen, “About my personal medical record I do not talk.”

Because he would have to pull out his laundry list to remember everything that he is taking. 36 different TUE's is excessive. YES I KNOW.

Ask the following question next time. I don't want specific because that is personal, but are you taking over 30 different medications that require TUE's?

nikeman wrote:

Let's see....since they have come to Salazar.

Farah: PRs at basically every distance.

Ritz: PR at the marathon (for those of you who say that Salazar can't coach the marathon)

Levins: runs a 6 second PR at 1500 meters

Treniere Moser: runs a huge 5K PR and gets the WC 'A' standard.

Rupp: Olympic silver and numerous American Records.

Where's the "bad" part again ?

Farah: Had already run 12:5X before teaming up with Salazar. I did give Salazar credit for getting him from almost the top to the top.

Ritz: Ritz is arguably the most talented distance runner to emerge from the high school ranks in the last 10-15 years (possibly ever). Ritz spent a lot of time injured and ran numerous sub-par marathons before finally running 2:07. We'll never know what would have happened if Ritz hadn't gone with Salazar, but credit goes to Ritz here not Salazar.

Levins: Just out of college, was already an Olympian with a 27:27 10k PR, has huge aerobic conditioning from 180 mile weeks, and never really focused on the 1500/mile. Speaking of which, his 3:57.16 mile PR (college, indoor) converts to a 3:39.59 (using 1.08) so this was a 2.71 second PR at best. My dog could have coached him to this, and I don't even have a dog.

Moser: Seriously? She ran one good time trial. How about you at least wait until she strings two good races together. It is also mad sketch when old burnouts run fast again.

Rupp: I gave Salazar all the credit in the world for this one.

Bad Wigins wrote:

The most telling fact about Salazar is he still thinks it's a miracle that he survived 14 minutes of CPR. 14 minutes is about average for heart attack survivors, but in his mind it's some kind of world record.

The interesting thing is you're wrong.

drugsinsport wrote:

"At the Olympics the Dutch journalists did ask Galen Rupp about his TUEs and he replied according to Knippen, “About my personal medical record I do not talk.”

That doesn't sound the way Galen talks.

sista sista wrote:

Baby man wrote:

Some approve and some disapprove. If I were Alberto, I suspect I would be happy with the progress I had made as a coach determined to make the best from the best. Success at times seems to breed contempt, but the value he has created in history can not be eradicated by the people who are determined to chastise those who have made it to the top of their field. This seems to be a common artifact of such contempt for those who break through in his or her respective fields.

You act like all of the drug accusations all have been a result of his success. Your wrong. There have been drug accusations long before he has ever coached Rupp. Drug accusations have followed Alberto for decades.

Total bullsht.

Dmso and Prozac, going to ding him for stuff he was open about and are legal.

Haters going to hate.

This would be the same Jos Herman's that the Brojo's were hot after investigating for drug accusations a few years ago.

Hermans: Jealous his athletes were rejected for NOP.

Why does everybody give Schumacher a pass. His guys never race, he never shares any information about training philosophies, and has access to every person thinking about signing with Nike and they're the only company sponsoring more than a couple athletes.

Lombardi like wrote:

Why does everybody give Schumacher a pass. His guys never race, he never shares any information about training philosophies, and has access to every person thinking about signing with Nike and they're the only company sponsoring more than a couple athletes.

Frank Shorter, never coached a group of athletes to this success. Billy Rodgers never coached a group of athletes to this success. Bob Kennedy never coached a group of athletes to this success.

Steve Scott never coached a group of athletes to this success. Jim Ryun never coached a group of athletes to this success.

I could go on, tons of former USA running greats haven't done crap for the sport, really, over the years.

It's been a long journey, but Alberto finally is getting results.

And, Nike, a company born of running, spends a fortune sponsoring runners...when they could make just about as much money not sponsoring them.

With out Nike making running Pro, so many runners would have short or no careers. Nike forced the other shoe companies to help make the sport pro...it wasn't going to happen any other way.

Running is lucky that it gave birth to a coach and an athlete who went on to form a company that was successful and could help running grow. No, not all the attempts were successful...it has been a long evolution, now some results are being seen.

Alberto Salazar is GREAT for USA running. It is a safe bet bet that a huge amount of money would not be spent on USA runners if not for Alberto putting his efforts together.

Phil Knight once told Alberto that if you are going to be successful, you are going to get a lot of criticism...jealous and attacks come with the territory.

Questions

1. What is going to happen to Rupp's times/reputation when hormone therapy drugs are put on the banned list?

2. What is going to happen if Rupp suffers medical problems later in life? (he already acknowledged he must remain on hormone meds for life)

3. What does Salazar attribute his own health problems to?

4. What kind of quack doctor recommends hormone therapy to an individual who claims tiredness due to running 100 miles a week, lifting weights, and living in an artificial high altitude environment?

That doctor should lose his license! It's unethical and a malpractice for him to place athletic performance above a person's health and well-being.

I guess you can see why I ask the question. None of these articles (all of which I had already seen) talk about "therapeutic use exemptions".

drugsinsport wrote:

http://www.ed.nl/sport/olympische-spelen/topatleten-op-het-randje-1.3296119http://www.vandaag.be/bizar/102980_levensgevaarlijk-nieuw-dopingmiddel-op-spelen.htmlhttp://www.vandaag.be/bizar/102980_levensgevaarlijk-nieuw-dopingmiddel-op-spelen.htmlhttp://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/04/hypothyroidism-the-wall-street-journal-jos-hermens-mo-farah-galen-rupp-and-the-olympics/