It was in South Africa , rudisha in danger !!!
http://www.thepowerof10.info/resultsfiles/2013/0_24959_20032013135850_Invitational%20%20Results.pdf
It was in South Africa , rudisha in danger !!!
http://www.thepowerof10.info/resultsfiles/2013/0_24959_20032013135850_Invitational%20%20Results.pdf
sh!t, don't tell ventolin... that doesn't add up in his calculator!
You cna pretty much forget about talking mileage, now. In the 800 now, it's 45-point or die. Wonder who is going to be the first one to break 45.
coach d wrote:
You cna pretty much forget about talking mileage, now. In the 800 now, it's 45-point or die. Wonder who is going to be the first one to break 45.
What kind of miles are they doing? Could Jeremy Wariner run a 1:42? I always thought he could.
bW0L wrote:sh!t, don't tell ventolin... that doesn't add up in his calculator!
eh ??
i expected a low-45 if he ran his "perfect" race & in peak shape beforehand - i doubt he is in season peak shape yet
mid-45 is perfectably acceptable this time of year
coach d wrote:
Wonder who is going to be the first one to break 45.
Alberto Juantorena
Harald Scmhmid ran 44 point and 1:44 30 years ago and he wasn't even a 400 or 800 runner.
Very exciting.
Amos seemed to close a bit on Rudisha in the Oly finals. Rudisha's reign is under asssault
SMJO wrote:
Harald Scmhmid ran 44 point and 1:44 30 years ago and he wasn't even a 400 or 800 runner.
Iaaf profile lists Mr. Schmid's open 400m best as 44.92. Do you have link to the result for the 1:44 800m? just curious.
Yes.
Juantorena ran 44.26 and 1:43.44
Mark Everett ran 44.59 and 1:43.20
But this teenager running 45.66 and 1:41.73 looks very promissing.
Rudisha may hesitate running right to the front in this year's WCs being a rabbit for Amos.
toro wrote:
Yes.
Juantorena ran 44.26 and 1:43.44
Mark Everett ran 44.59 and 1:43.20
But this teenager running 45.66 and 1:41.73 looks very promissing.
Rudisha may hesitate running right to the front in this year's WCs being a rabbit for Amos.
As talented as Amos is, I don't think Rudisha should worry about running from the front. Regardless of Amos/Kitum/Ahmed/Solomon/whoever else, Rudisha is a front runner and has a long way to go. He still is only 24.
all these guys will just keep pushing each other further and further
or
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_800ok.htm(Nr. 1577)
James Brown is Cool wrote:
SMJO wrote:Harald Scmhmid ran 44 point and 1:44 30 years ago and he wasn't even a 400 or 800 runner.
Iaaf profile lists Mr. Schmid's open 400m best as 44.92. Do you have link to the result for the 1:44 800m? just curious.
runn wrote:
coach d wrote:You cna pretty much forget about talking mileage, now. In the 800 now, it's 45-point or die. Wonder who is going to be the first one to break 45.
What kind of miles are they doing? Could Jeremy Wariner run a 1:42? I always thought he could.
How could a guy who ran a 21 in high school run a 1:42? I can understand middle distance runners wanting to claim him, but he's a sprinter.
Let's look at that Olympic 800 again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKEOjWEzVGs
What a race!
Rudisha is ridiculous.
But Amos was pretty savy there and finished well.
Imagine if he physically matures some more.
toro wrote:
Let's look at that Olympic 800 again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKEOjWEzVGsWhat a race!
Rudisha is ridiculous.
But Amos was pretty savy there and finished well.
Imagine if he physically matures some more.
If we look closely, Amos wasn't diving at the lane. So he's now tied with Coe in all time list.
James Brown is Cool wrote:
SMJO wrote:Harald Scmhmid ran 44 point and 1:44 30 years ago and he wasn't even a 400 or 800 runner.
Iaaf profile lists Mr. Schmid's open 400m best as 44.92. Do you have link to the result for the 1:44 800m? just curious.
harald was a monsta
powerhouse of a guy who ran 1'44.84 in '79 at 21y ( actual pb in '87 of 1'44.83 when well past his peak )
800 was his 3rd best event after 400h & flat-400 & he was probably 10 pounds too heavy ( muscle ) to be a "pure" 800 guy
he looked about 170 when he probably shouda been about 160 for the 800
i think, if he'd stuck to 800 as his only event & got down to 160, i do think he couda gone at worst back in late '70s :
1'44.84 * ( 160/170 )^(1/3) =
~ 1'42.74
i think though, he gave up thoughts of a serious 800 career when coe went 1'42.3, but he certainly had potential to run him close if he'd switched full-time to 800 early on
Does anyone know what Rudisha's or Amos' training is like?
45.66 is pretty much what you would think that a 1:41.73 guy could run early season. So, I don't find this result surprising. And Amos is young and less likely to have commensurate results the higher up in the distance, the more aerobic. But it is probably time to think about who may surpass Rudisha in the next few years. Remember that when Rudisha and Kaki were coming up, it was Kaki who first burst onto the scene with 1:42s, but ultimately it was Rudisha who became the monster. Similar with Kitum (1:42.53)? I doubt it. Amos is the real deal even if there's little chance he's as young as he says.
regardless of what age you think he is, in terms of technique, he is an absolute newbie with that wild flailing, desperate looking form
he has had virtually no "refining" done to his running, indicating little coaching input apart from looking up textbook :
wild-400-sprinter-wants-to-run-800 training
i'd be very surprised if he gets upto even 10 miles/week in background aerobic work
this is how this event shoud always have been...
It seems to me that the issue in the United States, where we have historically had an excess of 400m runners between 44 and 46, yet few who seriously try to convert to the 800m, is that when you are that fast, you do not want to do the very hard and different work of aerobic training for the 8.