Ryan Hill Could Have Won the Mile at NCAA's

Very interesting to see the splits laid out like that. I also find it interesting to see that Austin Mudd closed in 55.5...also faster than Lawi. Would have been a hell of a finish if all three of those guys had been shoulder to shoulder with 400 to go. Props to Mudd as just a sophomore racing that savy with a blazing finish...big things for this kid in the future.

NOOOOOOB wrote:

the field just had no balls

Welcome to American men's distance running. This is status quo.

You have seen an Olympic Trials 5/10, right?

"I don't have the A. Do you have the A?"

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"No, I don't have the A? Do you have the A?"

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"I don't have the A. Here's an idea: let's follow the guy with the A running at B pace and see if we can outkick him."

sounds like a plan!

What makes any of you think that Hill or Mudd could have closed nearly as fast if they would have pushed over the 3rd quarter as hard as Lawi? It is likely they could close so fast because they didn't push as hard as he did.

Coulda Woulda Shoulda.

Considering that Hill ran 3:54 earlier this year after going out way faster in a race won in 3:51 I would say he would have had no problem coming through 1200 in 2:58 with Lawi. He really did lose himself this race by racing like a pu**y. Grow a pair and quit being scared of the africans, it sure has worked for rupper

...he started that race with his tail between his legs. It's okay to get out of your confort zone and run a race and not feel comfortable (a little pain) in the beginning. Not every race is a kickers race....I think that is what he was hopeing for...he got what he deserved.

Charlie Kelly wrote:

Considering that Hill ran 3:54 earlier this year after going out way faster in a race won in 3:51 I would say he would have had no problem coming through 1200 in 2:58 with Lawi. He really did lose himself this race by racing like a pu**y. Grow a pair and quit being scared of the africans, it sure has worked for rupper

And Chris O'hare ran 3:52 earlier this year. Just because someone has done it before doesn't mean they would've been able to do it on Saturday.

Are you one of those guys who also think that Rui Silva could've won the 2004 Olympic 1500m because he closed faster than Lagat and El G? Just because you closed faster from a few seconds off the pace doesn't mean that you could've won.

why didn't he win then?

I'm not sure Hill could have won, but the fact that he ran 3:54 already is meaningful.

In a well paced race he ran 3:54. He ran 3:55 Saturday with a HUGE negative split. So yes, he could have been a lot closer to Lawi. Not sure if he could have won since he likes to finish strong.

What do you think Hill could run for a even split mile right now? He went 3:01 - 3:55. Incredible stuff.

Charlie Kelly wrote:

Considering that Hill ran 3:54 earlier this year after going out way faster in a race won in 3:51 I would say he would have had no problem coming through 1200 in 2:58 with Lawi. He really did lose himself this race by racing like a pu**y. Grow a pair and quit being scared of the africans, it sure has worked for rupper

Yes, he would have finished right behind or even ahead of O'Hare ... Opps.

Anyone that really thinks that Hill could have won this race only need look at the relative finish a little while later in the 3000 -- half a lop down...

RuKiddingMe!! wrote:

...he started that race with his tail between his legs. It's okay to get out of your confort zone and run a race and not feel comfortable (a little pain) in the beginning. Not every race is a kickers race....I think that is what he was hopeing for...he got what he deserved.

That's how I saw it too. You don't run to win, you don't earn the win, you don't get the win.

Anyone that watched the race knows that Lawi didn't even have to push until the last 50 when Hill finally caught up. But as soon as he kicked, it was done.

The takeaway is that results and splits are deceiving, you don't have to give a real kick if you're that far ahead of people who are unwilling to push themselves

He took the Nick Symmonds/ Matt Centrowitz approach. Never put yourself in a position to win and run the fastest last lap.

minus the 4 (5?) straight US championships symmonds has won. never puts himself in a position to win? right....

ja wrote:

minus the 4 (5?) straight US championships symmonds has won. never puts himself in a position to win? right....

How many diamond league races, World Championship medals, Olympic medals has he won? NONE

Centrowitz is just a slightly better version of Symmonds.

Ryan Hill did exactly what Symmonds and Centrowitz do. Race like sissy boys when an African steps to the line. Never even tried to win the race.

1:42.95. Show me an Olympics where this doesn't place besides the freak fest that was 2012. And Symmonds has no balls...

Check it. wrote:

1:42.95. Show me an Olympics where this doesn't place besides the freak fest that was 2012. And Symmonds has no balls...

He got dragged to that time. And the time has nothing to do with balls. How far back was Symmonds from 1st place? That's what balls have to do with it.

Check it. wrote:

1:42.95. Show me an Olympics where this doesn't place besides the freak fest that was 2012. And Symmonds has no balls...

Time doesn't matter in the Olympics. Watch the Olympic 800 and tell me where Symmonds put himself in a position to medal.

Now you'll say "Well look what happened to Aman and Kaki. They went out and died." Well at least they tried to medal. They gave themselves a shot, THEY TRIED. Symmonds raced for 5th.

Optimus wrote:

ja wrote:

minus the 4 (5?) straight US championships symmonds has won. never puts himself in a position to win? right....

How many diamond league races, World Championship medals, Olympic medals has he won? NONE

Centrowitz is just a slightly better version of Symmonds.

Ryan Hill did exactly what Symmonds and Centrowitz do. Race like sissy boys when an African steps to the line. Never even tried to win the race.

That's a ridiculous comment. Nick is not a 1:41 guy, and until Olympic final he'd never run under 1.43.76. He's done amazing, you can't bash him for not being what he's not. He ran his best when it mattered most.