Doug Padilla's training

very light

How in God's name did he runs the times he did on that?

Is this another bid for runners to use the pose method?

I had somebody who trained with him at BYU tell me that late season they would run a 3x800 workout at 1:55s, and once they went 1:50, 1:51, 1:50 with 10min recovery.

I don't know what the pose method is.The schedule might seem light, but is does have a lot of frequency, which in some ways might be more important than total volume. Plus he ran I think 7:35 and 13:15, not 7:20 and 12:37.

wait a second wrote:

Is this another bid for runners to use the pose method?

I trained like that in high school. Wow. I coulda' been a contenda.

Why would anybody wake up early to run 3 miles?

He had ridiculous talent. That's how he ran those times.

At one Championship race Brendan Foster could be heard lamenting the performance of Padilla. Probably no secret that his light training left him woefully unprepared for championship racing back in the day. The prelims just wiped him out.

[quote]OBN wrote:

I don't know what the pose method is.

The schedule might seem light, but is does have a lot of frequency, which in some ways might be more important than total volume. Plus he ran I think 7:35 and 13:15, not 7:20 and 12:37.

Yeah, 30 years ago when no one had ever broken 13:00 or 7:32. Let's use some perspective here.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Why would anybody wake up early to run 3 miles?

I wake up early to go 5, does that count as "ok"?

I remember Paul Cummings was once asked if Padilla ran a lot of miles. He answered "Yeah, I saw him run two 800's once"...

Whatever it takes wrote:

[quote]OBN wrote:

I don't know what the pose method is.

The schedule might seem light, but is does have a lot of frequency, which in some ways might be more important than total volume. Plus he ran I think 7:35 and 13:15, not 7:20 and 12:37.

Yeah, 30 years ago when no one had ever broken 13:00 or 7:32. Let's use some perspective here.

Sub 13:00 was done 31 years ago and sub 7:30 was done 29 years ago.

physics defiant wrote:

Whatever it takes wrote:

[quote]OBN wrote:

I don't know what the pose method is.

The schedule might seem light, but is does have a lot of frequency, which in some ways might be more important than total volume. Plus he ran I think 7:35 and 13:15, not 7:20 and 12:37.

Yeah, 30 years ago when no one had ever broken 13:00 or 7:32. Let's use some perspective here.

Sub 13:00 was done 31 years ago and sub 7:30 was done 29 years ago.

Fair play, +1 and -1, though I was speaking in general terms. You get the point: comparing times from the early and mid 80's of a tee-totaling Mormon to doped up Kenyans and Ethiopians from the EPO era is silly.

Tough, talented, dumb.......had he trained via Lydiard he would have won Olympic Gold.

Funny. Very similar to Henry Marsh's training, another BYU guy. Very light.

Sunlight's A Comin' wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Why would anybody wake up early to run 3 miles?

I wake up early to go 5, does that count as "ok"?

Yes, 5 miles is the absolute minimum.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Sunlight's A Comin' wrote:

I wake up early to go 5, does that count as "ok"?

Yes, 5 miles is the absolute minimum.

No, 4 miles is the minimum.

Whatever it takes wrote: You get the point: comparing times from the early and mid 80's of a tee-totaling Mormon to doped up Kenyans and Ethiopians from the EPO era is silly.

to be fair, that's not what the OP was doing.

his point was that Padilla ran 13:15 and 7:35 off that training, so if you want to run 13:15 and 7:35 type times the training might be worth looking into. he was warning readers not to have high expectations. although it is probably worth noting that this year only four Americans have run under 13:20 for 5000m so 13:15 would still make you nationally competitive 33 years after Doug Padilla ran his pr.

and, just to be real clear about this, when Doug Padilla ran 7:35.84 for 3000m in Oslo in July 1983 the WR was 7:32.1 by Henry Rono. and when Padilla ran 13:15.44 for 5000m in Helsinki in Jul 1985 the WR was 13:00.41 by Dave Moorcroft. three weeks later Said Aouita lowered it to 13:00.40 and it was another two years before anyone went sub-13.

cheers.

Ezekiel bread wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Yes, 5 miles is the absolute minimum.

No, 4 miles is the minimum.

How about 2 miles, if that's what you have time for?