How Oscar's story could hold water, or not, your theories.

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  • No Way
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 11:35am CST
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    The intruder theory is only a theory according to the South African media. Oscar has never claimed to have thought there was an intruder.

    Girlfriend comes by at 8 pm. They are up drinking and arguing all night. He gets seriously enraged and cracks her head with a cricket bat...she runs and hides in the bathroom and he tries to scare her by shooting at the door. He doesn't realize bullets go through flimsy wooden doors.
    He flips out realizes he has killed her, thinks carrying her through the house is a good idea.
  • no taste in music
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 11:36am CST
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    *Reeva ...This freaking story is so horrific and sad I can't stop from blocking out her name...
  • He has
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 11:42am CST
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    Oscar has claimed he thought there was an intruder. It's in his statement to the court.

    The story seems at least possible to me. Likely? Perhaps not, but it's believable as OP tells it in his statement.

    It'll be interesting to hear if anyone heard him calling from the balcony.

    It is also interesting to read he claims he was advised to take her directly to the hospital and not wait for an ambulance.
  • Precious Roy
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    7 years ago 02/19/2013 11:46am CST
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    Police seem to think that he had his prosthetic legs on when he shot. Ballistics will be able to determine the tragectory on the gunshots through the door. If he didn't have on the blades, he would have shot up at the door as he would have been at least 12-18" shorter, depending on how he would have had to stand to handle the recoil of the gun.

    The intruder theory is silly. Everyone in SA with money locks down and alarms up at night. No one with the kind of cash Oscar has would leave a window open at night with no alarm on. The guy is a millionaire. He can afford to run the AC.
  • Hear me out bro
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 11:49am CST
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    it's murda
  • not so sure
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 11:50am CST
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    A previous story says he yelled at the 'intruders'. He then fires through the door.

    That makes no sense to me whatsoever. You DO NOT blindly fire through a door without knowing what is on the other side. For one, he has a roommate. Yeah, I'm sure the roomie doesn't use Oscar's bathroom but still, you would want to be sure before firing blindly. Second, you have a girlfriend that is staying the night. Your first assumption would, or maybe should, be that it is her in the bathroom.

    Shoot first and then look for your girlfriend afterwards? I'm not buying it.

    A few more questions that need to be answered:
    How did her skull get crushed?

    What about early reports that she was shot in the hip and THEN ran into the bathroom?
  • agip
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    7 years ago 02/19/2013 11:51am CST
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    what's with the bloody bat + crushed skull? are those true or not? I suppose it is possible that he broke down the door and then put the bat down in a puddle of blood.

    But not if her skull was crushed but a bat.
  • SFbayRunner
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    7 years ago 02/19/2013 12:06pm CST
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    If he was scared by the locked bathroom door, wouldn't he have said: "Who's in there?" And if he had asked who was in there, the girlfriend would've said: "It's me."

    It strains belief to think he would have shot into a closed door without asking (probably several times) who was inside.

    His statement says that he was yelling for his girlfriend to call the police. Wouldn't she have said: "Oscar, it's me in here." The story is not believable at all, in my opinion.
  • really??????
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 12:07pm CST
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    Yes, and after he fires the gun he goes back to the bedroom and finds his girlfriend isn't there...like she wouldn't have heard the commotion and gun shots?

    And the neighbors heard the shots and alerted police. She would have heard them too so he wasn't using a silencer. And they were arguing earlier as evidenced by neighbor statements. He is screwed unless he is lucky enough to get OJ and Casey Anthony's jurors, if they have that kind of system.

    not so sure wrote:

    A previous story says he yelled at the 'intruders'. He then fires through the door.

    That makes no sense to me whatsoever. You DO NOT blindly fire through a door without knowing what is on the other side. For one, he has a roommate. Yeah, I'm sure the roomie doesn't use Oscar's bathroom but still, you would want to be sure before firing blindly. Second, you have a girlfriend that is staying the night. Your first assumption would, or maybe should, be that it is her in the bathroom.

    Shoot first and then look for your girlfriend afterwards? I'm not buying it.

    A few more questions that need to be answered:
    How did her skull get crushed?

    What about early reports that she was shot in the hip and THEN ran into the bathroom?
  • no taste in music
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 12:29pm CST
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    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57570059/oscar-pistorius-account-of-fatal-shooting-in-his-own-words/


    Far Better record of court proceedings.
  • Ihkjhkjg
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 12:34pm CST
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    No reasonable person would attempt to construct a theory given such limited knowledge. There are so many people on let's run who just need to kill themselves already.
  • no taste in music
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 12:36pm CST
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    You're forgetting a few things.

    Not all SA whites trust SA Blacks.

    Lots of security at these compounds are Blacks.

    There have been incidents where those black security folks were paid off...or suspected to have been paid off.

    It sounds like the bathroom had two doors, one into the bathroom, one into the privy.

    If she was sitting on the privy and he was on his stumps...well he is already lowered...

    The police will be all over this stuff.


    As to turning off, retrieving the fan, when was nightfall/darkness?

    He may have forgotten about the workers ladders still being outside and panicked.

    Not saying it happened, but it could have.



    Precious Roy wrote:

    Police seem to think that he had his prosthetic legs on when he shot. Ballistics will be able to determine the tragectory on the gunshots through the door. If he didn't have on the blades, he would have shot up at the door as he would have been at least 12-18" shorter, depending on how he would have had to stand to handle the recoil of the gun.

    The intruder theory is silly. Everyone in SA with money locks down and alarms up at night. No one with the kind of cash Oscar has would leave a window open at night with no alarm on. The guy is a millionaire. He can afford to run the AC.
  • Someone took my name..
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 12:44pm CST
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    Biggest hole in the story for my is that it said he kept the gun in his bedroom, right? He got up and went to get the fan, at which point he heard the "intruder". To get the gun, he would have had to go back into the bedroom, where he would have noticed his girlfriend was missing.
  • She did
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 1:07pm CST
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    Agreed.

    Perhaps the porch is better lit than the dark bedroom and, upon returning to the bedroom, he couldn't see well enough to notice that his girlfriend was not longer in the bed.

    Obviously in such a case you'd think he would make certain she was still there. And perhaps he'd even wake her. But, according to his story, he didn't.

    It's also possible he felt an intruder was a looming threat and he grabbed his gun first. If he truly was "terrified" as he says, it's not that surprising he fixated on the threat.

    In all, I think OP is admitting in his statement that he committed manslaughter. He was negligent and stupid and wound up killing his girlfriend.

    The trial will be about whether his story is true, or whether the circumstances of her death are quite different (was there an argument, etc.). That will make the different between a premeditated murder and manslaughter (does that exist in SA?) or some lesser kind of negligent homicide charge.
  • its like a cult
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 1:53pm CST
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    You buy a gun to protect your family right?

    What are the odds that that gun will be used to shoot a stranger threatening your family?

    What are the odds that that gun will be used to shoot a member of your family either in an accidental shooting, suicide attempt or puroseful shooting?

    Interesting.
  • no taste in music
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 2:02pm CST
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    Someone took my name.. wrote:

    Biggest hole in the story for my is that it said he kept the gun in his bedroom, right? He got up and went to get the fan, at which point he heard the "intruder". To get the gun, he would have had to go back into the bedroom, where he would have noticed his girlfriend was missing.


    My girlfriend is so small and sleeps on her stomach, without using a pillow, and her side of the bed is the darkest side of the room. I've both thought she was in bed when she wasn't, and thought she wasn't in bed when she was.

    If he was in some sort of home protection combat mode, he could have panicked, come back in low to get the gun under the bed, if he is walking on stumps and looking down in the dark to locate the gun...if she is on a darker side of the bed/room, he has already seen the bathroom window open...so that is where he is headed...he yells/whisper loudly to her to call the police and goes to investigate...

    There's already been an article on him having told a reported about a false alarm at his house, getting out his gun and investigating...

    He is also a guy who was in and out of his country like 100 times last year...so maybe not too secure in his place.


    Not saying any of this is right...it just could have been a perfect storm of tragedy and stupidity.
  • no taste in music
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 2:21pm CST
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    Editor's note: Oscar Pistorius' full affidavit explaining his version of events (which the poster is referencing) is here

    History of a guy very worried about home security...by previous article where he takes the journalists shooting, and talks about false alarm the previous night.

    1. Alcohol and/Ambien before bed.
    2. Legs off...apparently he could walk on his stumps?
    3. He awakes, groggy / disoriented, goes to close balcony screen door.
    4. Hears a noise, over reacts...as he has already been know to react fast on home security with his gune.
    5. He gets low and crawls to get gun under bed.
    6. Doesn't notice girlfriend in bed. Okay so here is where it gets twisty...my currently girlfriend is so think and skinny, AND sleeps on her stomach, without having her head on the pillow. There have been many times I've had to pat over on her side of the bed to see if she is there...granted this is mostly winter with a down comforter involved...just saying in a large bed if you are the type to sleepover in your own little zone...it possible, possible that he would have noticed her when getting out of bed or heading under his side of the bed to get his gun.

    None of us knows how each person in SA feels about home security, we do know that Oscar was either a gun nut, or took it very seriously. Possibly because of his not always having his legs on, he took it more seriously / freaked out.

    Or was influenced by tail end of alcohol, or Ambien in his blood.

    He hears noise in bathroom and thinks intruder has heard him and has locked himself in the bathroom. And still freaked, or under the influence shoots through the door.

    7. Innocent reason for why the bathroom door is locked:

    Most of the women I have dated have seen no reason to lock the bathroom door when it is just us in the house. I've dated a few women who had a strict lock the door policy when they went to the bathroom, considered it private. Keep the mystery alive. I know some of you are okay dropping a deuce in front of each other...there are some women who are just never going to not lock the door in case of dropping a deuce. That's my current girlfriend, so I totally get why the door could have been locked.

    8. Oscars a guy who is probably used to hearing his gun fire...although he probably uses ear protection at the range. If he was in a rage, roid, or other wise, that might have shaken him out of it.

    9. Returns to bedroom and finds Steena is not in bed. Panics, puts everyday prosthetic legs on, and goes and tries to kick door down. No luck, goes and gets cricket bat to break door open with.

    Made whatever calls he made for help and took her down stairs to away help.

    As we've seen from the numerous Darwin awards stories and what not sometimes the craziest stories turn out to be innocent and true.

    .....

    That said, there are a lot of questions to be answered.

    1. Neighbors hearing arguments earlier in the evening - to be confirmed.

    2. Did he really call for help out the balcony? Who heard what?

    3. What's on her iPad, flirty VD message from hunky rugby player -- that set Oscar off?

    Guilty or innocent, nothing is going to bring this lovely young woman back, nor undo the damage to her family and friends.

    Oscars life, guilty or innocent, is ruined. He look back fondly at the days he was only considered an azzhole for accusing another paralymic athlete of cheating.

    Editor's note: Oscar Pistorius' full affidavit explaining his version of events (which the poster is referencing) is here
  • adsfadsf
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 3:17pm CST
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    If Reeva's skull is indeed crushed, this story is (pardon the pun) full of holes. I'm no CSI expert, but seems like a lot of these details will be scrutinized by forensics: where the bullets were fired from, whether the cricket bat hit her head, whether he was "on his stumps" while shooting, etc etc.
  • Stating the obvious
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    7 years ago 02/19/2013 3:56pm CST
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    This is the most likely story Oscar could tell other than admitting he killed her out of anger for her flirting on Valentine's Day or roid rage.
    But it is so full of holes and pathetic. How did blood get on the bat and her head get fractured? Oh when he used it to bust open the door....really? you are going to go with that??
    Well, he has too, I guess, and hope he just gets manslaughter. What an idiot.
  • codger
    7 years ago 02/19/2013 4:54pm CST
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    Stating the obvious wrote:

    This is the most likely story Oscar could tell other than admitting he killed her out of anger for her flirting on Valentine's Day or roid rage.
    But it is so full of holes and pathetic. How did blood get on the bat and her head get fractured? Oh when he used it to bust open the door....really? you are going to go with that??
    Well, he has too, I guess, and hope he just gets manslaughter. What an idiot.

    Patience grasshopper, forensic science will figure this out.