So the main board article says,Solomon's unoffical split for his 1:42.82 was 1:15.80 for 600 meters. But his 1:15:70 AR would convert to a 1:46.72??
"s for what 1:15.70 equates to, LetsRun.com’s stat/coaching guru John Kellogg says it’s the equivalent of 1:46.72 for 800."
what's your point
He just ran 600 meters at the same pace he ran 800 meters back in August. Therefore he isn't anywhere near his 1:42 form now. 1:46 seems like a reasonable estimate for a more speed-oriented guy like Solomon.
He just ran 3 consecutive 200's in 25.23 seconds. So yeah that last 200 would definitely take 31.02 seconds. I can see that
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He just ran 3 consecutive 200's in 25.23 seconds. So yeah that last 200 would definitely take 31.02 seconds. I can see that
I don't understand how people think like this. I will explain it slowly.
The 600 was all-out so there is no last 200. So remove that thought of just adding on another 200 in 31.02, it's simply not possible if you've run to exhaustion by 600 meters.
Instead, if Solomon wants to run a full 800, he has to pace himself more conservatively through 600 meters so that he has enough left to run a 4th 200. So he runs the first 600 slower - probably in 26's rather than 25's - and this is how you come to 1:46.
It's not 25.2/25.2/25.2/31 - that's impossible. Instead you slow up and run 26.5/26.5/26.5/26.5 (or whatever).
haha! have you ever ran any race from 400-1000m???
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He just ran 3 consecutive 200's in 25.23 seconds. So yeah that last 200 would definitely take 31.02 seconds. I can see that
One word: Indoors
And nobody try to give me any phony baloney shpeel on how the track was banked. There is no way that any kind of 200m oval is equivalent to an outdoor, mondo track- at least when it comes to sprinting. I'm not sure what the conversion ought to be, but we can be certain that his performance was equivalent to a significantly faster time outdoors.
Solomon's 600m is about equal to a 1:46 800, that pretty good for January and indoors.
Like a 1:42.82 800 would convert to a 3:48 mile (just a wild guess) -- convert, as in be roughly equivalent to in quality of performance. [note also that there is some differential between an indoor track and the Olympic track, as cited previously (plus more drafting in London?)]either naive or a 2/10
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So the main board article says,Solomon's unoffical split for his 1:42.82 was 1:15.80 for 600 meters. But his 1:15:70 AR would convert to a 1:46.72??
"s for what 1:15.70 equates to, LetsRun.com’s stat/coaching guru John Kellogg says it’s the equivalent of 1:46.72 for 800."
I don't mean to be rude, but John Kellogg is way off. If Solomon had continued on for for 200 more meters, I can't see how he wouldn't have at least broken 1:45 (which would've taken a 29.low final 200) Plus it was indoors and it was a rust buster. Solomon is obviously in some sick shape.
Most people that can run 1:46.7 for 800m can run 1:15.7 for 600m.
He went out extremely hard in 23.x and died a little bit, so he could've probably run faster if he had paced his race better. Plus he led from the gun and the race was indoors. It looks like a great sign based on this. I would look for him to have a breakout year and possibly run in the 1:41s this summer.
I'm pretty sure that, given the meaning of the term, he already had his "breakout" year.
Run a 600m time trial. Take your average speed and extend it to 800m. A few days later try to run that time in the 800m and get back to us.
I've always multiplied the 600 time by 1.4 to get the 800 equivalent, which would make Solomon's time equal to 1:45.98, but I've always done better as the distances got longer. Plus, most 600s I've done or seen done were in workout time trials and the 800s were in competition. 1:46-high seems like a pretty reasonable conversion for a pure mid d guy.
By comparison -
The 2011 IAAF scoring tables have 1:15.70 equal to 1:46.70.
Cas Loxsom just ran 1:15.79 after running 1:46.98 a couple of weeks earlier.
Look. Jk is a genius. I have no idea what he uses for his conversions but I doubt there is any arguing with it.
A 600 is now where close to an 800 so you'd slow down a ton.
Solomon's splits were as follows:
23.50
25.34 (48.84)
26.86 (1:15.70)
So he's added on 1.84 seconds and 1.52 seconds. Let's just say
But realize he's just finihsed a race where he was basically all out. So if you add on another 200, it's going to take a lot longer. But let's say he runs his final 200 1.52 seconds slower than this 3rd. That's a 28.38 which would give him a 1:44.08.
For him to run his PR of 1:42.82, he'd have to run a final 200 of 27.12 which isn't happening. He'd have to almost not slow down at all.
The person who showed that talked about Loxsom has it best. Loxsom just ran 1:46 high and he ran 1:15.79. So JK's conversion is about right.
A 1:15 while the American record isn't out of this world good. I mean remember Johnny Gray once ran 1:12.81 outdoors for 600. Now that's good.
Solomon talked about running a world indoor record. It is 1:15.12. I wonder what JK thinks that's equal to.
I dont think Duane is really anything that special right now. Get him in the right race at the right time, sure. But he was a pretty consistent 1:45 runner. and i think that is where he is going to stay. He likely will dip under a few more times, but i think the olympics was his best performance.
this was a rust buster for solomon, as he said. but the conversion's off, because this was indoors: it indicates 1:45 shape outdoors. but he'll go faster next time out. there are a lot of 1:46 guys out there but not a lot of 1:15's indoors.
What did Chip Jenkins run for 800m?
Johnny Gray once ran 1:12.81 outdoors for 600.
If 1:15.70 is equal to 1:46.72 and this was derived from a straight-up multiplier, that multiplier would be 1.409775. That would make Gray's 1:12.81 equal to 1:42.65. And what was his 800 PR? Golly gee, it was 1:42.60.
No one should be surprised at how close the conversion came on this. It's very accurate. Using the same factor on the 800 WR, the 600 equivalent would be 1:11.58. If the 400 WR is 43.18 and the 800 WR is 50.455 pace, it stands to reason the best 600 runner of all time could run 47.72 pace for 600 (basically 5/8 of the way between 400 WR pace and 800 WR pace).
It just seems like 1:46.7 isn't that great compared to 1:15.7 since the former has been done indoors a bunch of times and the latter is an AR. But the truth is the 600 isn't run that often and it's also a January meet. By summertime, most 800 men will be going through the 600 in the same time they ran for a January 600 race and still hold on pretty well in the 800.