She is looking primed to be the next Mary Decker Slaney. I bid her Godspeed!
She is looking primed to be the next Mary Decker Slaney. I bid her Godspeed!
Is it ironic that Salazar coached Decker-Slaney when she tested positived for testosterone, and now he coaches Mary Cain?
Far better to be the next Joanie (gold) Benoit....peak at 25, not 16.
dont insult her by calling her the next mary decker (drug cheat)
not a good time to call her the next suzy favor hamilton after
the news of hamilton last month (though hamilton never cheated in her running)
hopefully she can be the next meseret defar or tirunesh dibaba (no scandals of any sort)
No scandals yet. The whole Ethiopian team is an accident waiting to happen.
She's better off being the first Mary Cain, and forgetting about following the footsteps of obvious drug cheats.
Maybe she won't run as fast, but at least she won't need a little injection every time she goes for a record attempt or medal.
look into the MDS drug test - it tended to have many false positives. I believe they cancelled the test afterwards because it was not reliable.
Pretty darn sure Mary Decker wasn't doping when she was Cain's age, so the analogy holds up in that "incarnation". As Mary Slaney, well....
To the ignoramus who posted about peaking at 17, you obviously are ignorant of Mary's 1980's career. Whether she was squeaky clean is another matter. But she certainly peaked in her mid 20's, not teens.
whoknowswhy wrote:
Is it ironic that Salazar coached Decker-Slaney when she tested positived for testosterone, and now he coaches Mary Cain?
No it's not, and learn what ironic means...moron.
what Mary did to the Eastern Europeans in doubling at the 1983 World Championships was incredible. And yes, Cain is the same kind of talent, great speed, already among the best ever high schoolers at 800m and the best at 1500 and 3k, and only 16.
Citizen Cain wrote:
She is looking primed to be the next Mary Decker Slaney. I bid her Godspeed!
Zola Budd ran I think 8:39 at her age. She still has a ways to go
T. Kitum and N. Amos disagree.
Furthermore running a few races here and there against similarly talented runners is unlikely to have a negative effect. Indeed, it is far more likely to have a positive effect vs destroying hapless HS girls by wide margins.
worst poster wrote:
T. Kitum and N. Amos disagree.
Furthermore running a few races here and there against similarly talented runners is unlikely to have a negative effect. Indeed, it is far more likely to have a positive effect vs destroying hapless HS girls by wide margins.
It's one thing peaking at 17 and another thing peaking at 24 whilst telling the world you're 17.
Let's enjoy the moment and not ruin everything with excessively high expectations. Right now there isn't a single world record or even a single national record that she is close to, much less close to annihilating. And those records, stained as they are by a history of PEDs, are in some cases out of reach (especially the 1500m record set in China, and in that event even the U.S. record is not beyond suspicion). We simply don't know where her limits are, and they may be well short of what is needed to compete with the world or with the drug-aided performances of the past.
Too much mileage too soon.
Perpetually injured through college.
Retired at 23.
jjjjjjj wrote:
what Mary did to the Eastern Europeans in doubling at the 1983 World Championships was incredible. And yes, Cain is the same kind of talent, great speed, already among the best ever high schoolers at 800m and the best at 1500 and 3k, and only 16.
In 1983 Mary Decker was 25 years old.
alanson wrote:
Right now there isn't a single world record or even a single national record that she is close to, much less close to annihilating.
The National High School 1500m record carries plenty of weight around here, especially since it is at a level unsullied by drug suspicions.
ASDL;JSL;ADJ wrote:
jjjjjjj wrote:what Mary did to the Eastern Europeans in doubling at the 1983 World Championships was incredible. And yes, Cain is the same kind of talent, great speed, already among the best ever high schoolers at 800m and the best at 1500 and 3k, and only 16.
In 1983 Mary Decker was 25 years old.
Yes, and ...? Decker was world class already in the 1970s but had injury problems.
Assuming that Cain continues to improve over the next ten years, she will be at that level. Budd peaked very early.
Decker's 3000m victory in 1983, leading the whole way (8:34 with no drafting at all!), and beating Kazankina (3:52 1500m wr), among others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXkyK7Qhiys
Decker going for the double at 1500m in 1983, again leading all the way until the final turn, where she's overtaken by the USSR's runner, and then watch the finish:
I would give her odds of no more than 1 in 1000 of breaking a real WR (i.e., Olympic distance). What is she going to do, drop more than 20 seconds in the 1500 or move up to the 3000 where she will have to drop more than 50 seconds? It is a reasonable question to ask if she will run a 1500 at the pace of the 3000 WR. [Of course, I am not an adherent of that WR].
Lets keep things in perspective here (for instance, Zola Budd ran 8:39 at her age -- barefoot).
That 1500 never gets old.