Could Nick Symmonds Threaten 1000 WR?

Only if someone else runs a 2:10

If anyone is going to do it, it will be Kaki. He is younger than Symmonds (Age 23) and has better PRs (1:42.23, 3:31.76). He is also the best recent performare at 1k.

Sub 2:15 1k times from the last 9 years:

Kaki, 2:13.62, 2010

Kaki, 2:13.93, 2008

Youssef Saad Kamel, 2:14.72, 2008 (second to Kaki in race)

Boaz Lalang, 2:14.83, 2010 (second to Kaki in race)

Mehdi Baala, 2:14.99, 2006

I think he would have a shot if he tried a few more times.

See on paper I think neither guy has the 800/1500 PRs to threaten 2:11.96.... my interest in symmonds is in his very fast 800 but slow 400. I bet Kaki can run at least 46 high for the open 400.

Not a chance in hell

Noah Ngeny ran a 1:44.62 800m en route to his 1000m world record.

His opening 400 was a suicidal 49.66.

He managed to run a 27.34 last 200 after that killer opening.

He was obviously capable of much faster than 1:44.29 if he ran 0.37 seconds slower than his PR and kept it going for another 200m to break the WR.

Ngeny would have run 1:41 high if he had run an 800 that day.

He was capable of much faster over 800m than Nick is, and he also ran a 3:43 mile so.....yeah. I'm gonna repeat - no chance in hell Nick breaks the 1000m WR,

Symmonds has had a magnificent career, but I don't think he will be best in the U.S. at any distance again. He'll be fortunate to be top 3.

Abdi Bile mighta coulda gone faster, once. But he spent his career running the wrong event.

Those with a decent shot at sub 2:12-2:13 over 1000m:

Rudisha

Kaki

Amos, behind Rudisha or Kaki!

Kitum, behond Rudisha or Kaki!

Driouch, in a couple of years!

Simmonds : no way in hell!

BTW, if Ngeny was conservative on his first 400m (say 51 0r 51'5) in his 2:11'96 run, his WR would be around 2:10 high or 2:11 low... Amazing run!

anaerobic fan wrote:

Sounds nuts - but hear me out.

Nick managed to run 1:42.95 last year while setting PRs @400 (47.45) and 1500 (3:36). With those three times - it looks like he runs that fast fast 800 not with his relatively modest aerobic talents, but instead with an incredible amount of anaerobic endurance.

Ngeny had an 800m PR of only 1:44.29 - though a very very fast 1500m time of 3:28.29.

To break the WR Nick would have to come through 800m in 1:45.5 and hold on for another 200. Is this possible? Looking at his 1500/800 ratio I'd think no - but looking at his 400/800 ratio I'd think...maybe.

No.

Coe, with PRs of 1:41 and 3:29 ran 2:12.

Cram, with PRs of 1:42 and 3:29 ran 2:12.

And so on.

Rick Wohlhuter's AR of 2:13.9 is a realistic and doable goal, however.

I'm sure Symmonds is aware that the American 1000m record has been stuck at 2:13.9 for 38 years. If he thought he could get it, he'd be after it. He has a much better sense of his own abilities than the OP. Another two full seconds to the WR . . . come on.

He's too tight for 1000m. The additional 200m puts a premium on flow.

1974 wrote:

I'm sure Symmonds is aware that the American 1000m record has been stuck at 2:13.9 for 38 years. If he thought he could get it, he'd be after it.

Really? Rick Wohlhuter's PRs are 1:43.9 and 3:36.4, a level Nick's been at for a while now. Alan Webb was a 1:43 / 3:30 guy and he never went after it; same with Lagat. It's just a matter of who has the opportunity to go after it (what elite 1000m are there?), or who's too busy focusing on a potential medal.

crazy raisin wrote:

Really? Rick Wohlhuter's PRs are 1:43.9 and 3:36.4, a level Nick's been at for a while now.

Looking at this again, I've realized that Wohlhuter also ran 1:44.1 for 880 yards and 3:53 for the mile, which makes him more like a 1:43-low and 3:35 guy, probably not any less fit than Symmonds now. But I still hold that just because guys aren't chasing the 1000m record doesn't mean they couldn't.

I was waiting for someone to point out that Coe's PR's were much better than Symmonds' at every single distance.

I'm putting my money on Makhloufi.

No

Symmonds couldn't break 12 seconds from the blocks!

lol

Symmonds is a tough one. I knew exactly what Mo could do. I believe I have a pretty good idea of what Rudisha could do.

But Symmonds, I'm not sure. He runs like a blockhead, which is no way to develop top sprinting speed, but he's quick and appears strong enough to get out of the blocks well.

I will give Symmonds an 11.9 from the blocks.

I love Rick, so don't give Symmonds any ideas on taking away his AR.

Rudisha out of blocks - ~10.7 ;

Symmonds maybe 11.0 - he is very slow for a 1:42 guy.

Lewandowski ran 10.64 out of blocks into a headwind. He is of similar calibre to Symmonds, but about a second slower @800.

you are very correct.

someone had to do it wrote:

Not a chance in hell

Noah Ngeny ran a 1:44.62 800m en route to his 1000m world record.

His opening 400 was a suicidal 49.66.

He managed to run a 27.34 last 200 after that killer opening.

He was obviously capable of much faster than 1:44.29 if he ran 0.37 seconds slower than his PR and kept it going for another 200m to break the WR.

Ngeny would have run 1:41 high if he had run an 800 that day.

He was capable of much faster over 800m than Nick is, and he also ran a 3:43 mile so.....yeah. I'm gonna repeat - no chance in hell Nick breaks the 1000m WR,