1600m race? I don't think so.
Not a mile race with the 1600m time.
1600m race? I don't think so.
Not a mile race with the 1600m time.
So no American high school runner has EVER run sub 4 in a 1600m race. Interesting.
My 4X400 team ran under 4 minutes for a 1600m race every time we ran.
Breaking 4 for the mile require the breaking of 4 for the 1600m en route.
Closest I've seen was Jantzen Oshier at the 2011 CIF meet 4:00.8
Nobody cares if you are a sub-4:00 1600 guy.
Logical Man wrote:
Breaking 4 for the mile require the breaking of 4 for the 1600m en route.
What part of the OP'S "Not a mile race with the 1600m time" is throwing you?
It's actually a good question. Obviously 4min is broken in 1600m if it's a mile race.
I don't know the answer but I would guess no because most sub 4 attempts are set up mile races. I don't think there would be enough competition in a 1600m race, even if its a state meet, to attack 4:00.
What did German run? 4:00.x? I think Webb ran a 3:59.xx 1600 leg on a relay once, maybe at Penn or nationals.
Alan Webb ran 3:53:43 on May 27 2001.
Donald Sage - 4 flat???
Didn't Alan Webb run a 3:59 split in the high school DMR? I have never seen a high schooler do it in an actual 1600.
Didn't Steve Magness do a 3:59 1600? Or was that also in a mile race?
Nope, I believe Magness holds the 1600-only race record at 4:01, though he did probably split a 3:59 in his mile.
I thought German Fernandez ran a 4:00-8:38 1600 3200 double at his state meet.
Sorry, meant Magness held the record at 4:01, meaning he didn't go sub-4 in a 1600.
colinpowell wrote:
Nobody cares if you are a sub-4:00 1600 guy.
hmm i dont know about that. still seems pretty good to me
I think we can broaden the question beyond just high school
Interesting question and I am pretty sure the answer is no. In the 1960's, they always ran a full mile, so no one in that age did it. Recently, we know all the sub-4 to 4:01.x-caliber guys didn't do it.
German ran 4:00.29 at his state meet before he ran 8:34 in the 3200. This was like five years ago.
I never understood the whole "HS federation" records. Which has to be done in all HS competition, but Jim Ryun ran 3:58 at his state meet in the full mile. They always listed the record as Webb's arcadia mile against Hall.
They also used to list Ritz's 2 mile at AOC as the 3200/2 mile record when Prefontaine and Virgin both ran 3 seconds faster in the 2 mile.
They didnt have official 1600/3200 splits but they are longer distances, and they were run faster. 3:58y is clearly better than 4:00.29 for 1600 so why isnt 3:58 at least the federation record?