I'm a male junior in high school and I have a coach who has coached some very successful runners. However, he only has our team running about 15mpw. How is that enough mileage? Our distance team this year is pretty weak. I've asked him before if I could run extra outside of practice and he said DEFINITELY NOT. What should I do?
what kind of runners has he produced? times?
putt-putt golf x 3 wrote:
what kind of runners has he produced? times?
A sub 4 miler and a 13:50 5ker. I don't know if he deserves the credit for making them who they are because they're just freakishly talented. Their college coaches probably deserve the credit.
OT22 wrote:
putt-putt golf x 3 wrote:what kind of runners has he produced? times?
A sub 4 miler and a 13:50 5ker. I don't know if he deserves the credit for making them who they are because they're just freakishly talented. Their college coaches probably deserve the credit.
What did they run in HS?
joho wrote:
OT22 wrote:A sub 4 miler and a 13:50 5ker. I don't know if he deserves the credit for making them who they are because they're just freakishly talented. Their college coaches probably deserve the credit.
What did they run in HS?
4:12 and 4:19 for the mile.
Give us a detailed description of your track practices mon-fri and sat and sun if there is practice.
Mon: 10x(600m, 300m, 100m)
Tue: 2 miles
Wed: 10x400m
Thu: 4 miles
Fri: 2 miles
Sat: Race
Sun: Off
This was last week.
what else are you doing besides running? A 2mile run? does practice last 15 minutes?
coach wrote:
what else are you doing besides running? A 2mile run? does practice last 15 minutes?
Some drills and stretching and thats about it.
Only run 15 miles then.
If you wanna do additional stuff, do more drills, do some (proper) lifting, do rope skipping, do core work, ride your bike or swim.
You may be weak in terms of times yet because the others train like crazy but wait some years and you'll thank him.
Adding in miles and getting strong is easy, you can do that in college. If you burn out now or lose intereset because of persistent injuries you wont even do a turkey trot in 5 years.
[quote]OT22 wrote:
Mon: 10x(600m, 300m, 100m)
Tue: 2 miles
Wed: 10x400m
Thu: 4 miles
Fri: 2 miles
Sat: Race
Sun: Off
This was last week.[/quote
I guess my response to your coahc would be simple.
How long is socccer practice? 2 hours? How long is basketblal practice?
15 miles a week equates to 15 minutes of running per day (if done at 7 min miles and 7 days per week which isn't what most HS teams do). So you practice a bit more than 15 mins per day but not much.
On a 7 day week, you practice running for 0 minutes once and 15 minutes twice? And you expect to be good at it?
You need more than that.
Is he a teacher? What subject? Ask him or her, Coahc, how much should each person study in **insert subject here** each night?
Do at least that much for running.
OT22 wrote:
Mon: 10x(600m, 300m, 100m)
Tue: 2 miles
Wed: 10x400m
Thu: 4 miles
Fri: 2 miles
Sat: Race
Sun: Off
This was last week.
Monday is 10 x 600, 300, and 100? This is significantly harder than anything else you do.
Raptured wrote:
OT22 wrote:Mon: 10x(600m, 300m, 100m)
Tue: 2 miles
Wed: 10x400m
Thu: 4 miles
Fri: 2 miles
Sat: Race
Sun: Off
This was last week.
Monday is 10 x 600, 300, and 100? This is significantly harder than anything else you do.
I'm struggling to believe that someone ran 4:12 off of this training. This must be off season training. I am more of a higher mileage advocate but do realize that some can run fast off of fewer miles. BUT, you better have some good quality in it. The week provided does not have very much quality.
This kind of training might be sort of, kind of okay for a female 800 runner. I just can't believe a successful HS coach who has trained a 4:12 miler would believe this is good training for a male HS junior distance runner, unless the runner is very young in running years. Throwing in an 8-miler with a 2-mile tempo surge in the middle (or something similar) once a week would improve the plan a lot.
to the OP, want to add...I don't mean to criticize your coach or encourage you to disrespect or disobey him. I just don't know any reputable coaches or coaching books that would endorse this kind of training year round for distance runners. I'm a believer in higher mileage geared to a kid's gender and their actual age and running age.
oldXChasbeen wrote:
This kind of training might be sort of, kind of okay for a female 800 runner. I just can't believe a successful HS coach who has trained a 4:12 miler would believe this is good training for a male HS junior distance runner, unless the runner is very young in running years. Throwing in an 8-miler with a 2-mile tempo surge in the middle (or something similar) once a week would improve the plan a lot.
I've only been running a year and a half but I've been running a lot more on my own and feel like I can handle it. My coach said that the kid who ran a 4:12 followed his plan exactly (I'm not sure if he had him run extra though). I feel like theres no point of just going to practice to run 2 miles.
2 miles running, 20 minutes drills on field, 15 minute core work, 10 minutes stretching. 1 hour of pure training. Maybe 75 minutes for the whole session. Sounds ok.
I mean 4:12 equals 3:53 1500. Not the easiest thing to coach, so lets say he has to know something.
Your coach knows you, your history, your progress and everything, we dont.
We are at about the same level experience-wise (1 1/2 years of running). I did too much (35-40mpw) and was always injured. Your lunges can handle the work, but at some time your legs break down. Take it easy son. Time to shine is at about 25 years of age, not 15 nor 17.
OT22 wrote:
oldXChasbeen wrote:This kind of training might be sort of, kind of okay for a female 800 runner. I just can't believe a successful HS coach who has trained a 4:12 miler would believe this is good training for a male HS junior distance runner, unless the runner is very young in running years. Throwing in an 8-miler with a 2-mile tempo surge in the middle (or something similar) once a week would improve the plan a lot.
I've only been running a year and a half but I've been running a lot more on my own and feel like I can handle it. My coach said that the kid who ran a 4:12 followed his plan exactly (I'm not sure if he had him run extra though). I feel like theres no point of just going to practice to run 2 miles.
You're still pretty young in running years.
If I were you, I'd do a distance run at a medium pace on Sundays on your own, maybe start with 5-6 miles and work it up to 8 or 9 by middle of outdoor season. Then back off a little and then drop it in late season. How's he gonna know? Even that little bit would help. If you could get in a 2-3 mile tempo every week or two that would be great, too.
There, I just told you to sneak behind your coach's back. Sorry, but he's just missing it. Unless there's something you're not telling us.
I would think with a proper warm up and cool down before workouts and the race day would ADD 15 miles a week at minimum. Is warming up and cooling down now frowned upon and no longer recordable mileage?