The Case Against Maggie Vessey

You're a little behind here.

It's not a secret that canerone is a metabolite of spironolactone -- that's why they test directly for the former and not the latter, just as they test for ecgonine when trying to determine if someone has used cocaine.

Vessey mentioned a skin condition, and was therefore almost certainly was taking spironolactone for acne or something similar, as this drug, in addition to being a diuretic, has anti-androgen properties:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2969259

She screwed up by taking it, but again, it hardly seems likely that her using spiro (one assumes) was part of a shady scheme. Chicks strongly invested in their appearance, like she seems to be, don't like zits.

just like lance tested positive for corticosteroids, and was retroactively written a prescription to help with his "saddle sores". this is yet another charade.

... pumkin eater wrote:

just like lance tested positive for corticosteroids, and was retroactively written a prescription to help with his "saddle sores". this is yet another charade.

Don't be a dimwit.

Lance is known to have been written that prescription after the fact. This all came out in an exhaustive investigation of his history going back 13 or more years.

You know no such thing about Vessey.

I know that anyone who can't even spell "pumpkin" isn't going to be rocking intellectual subtleties, but not everyone accused of using drugs has a ton in common with Lance Armstrong. Resorting to "Funny, that's what LANCE said too!" is primitive, childish and weak.

Aldactone, which is also known as Spironolactone, is a diuretic that helps in hiding or masking the presence of anabolic steroids in the human body. It is used by bodybuilders, strength athletes, and other sportsmen to deliver dramatic on-field performances and yet remaining safe from doping tests.

The chemical structure of Aldactone is 17-hydroxy-7alpha-mercapto-3-oxo-17alpha- pregn-4-ene-21-carboxylic acid gamma-lactone acetate. It has the molecular weight of 416.5744 g/mol at base.

Action Mechanism

Aldactone helps in keeping a close check on the production of aldosterone besides having a minimizing effect on fluid retention. This means that it promotes enhanced muscle definition besides allowing its users to get a lean, muscular appearance.

In addition to that, Aldactone inhibits androgenic side effects from occurrence after the end of a steroid cycle.

... and claiming acne treatment, pms, etc. is a real nice cover.

Cheers!

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You are simply punking out. I win.

Bearded Clam wrote:

Well, I don't engage my cognitive inferiors in "debate," so I'll let you have this round so that you can masturbate about it on your blog while we mainstream journalists laugh at you, but that's okay.

It's okay that you don't get what you don't understand. It happens.

Her skin was fine before. Then she moved and dropped her coach for a new one. Now has acne (a side effect of testosterone) and is found to have a diaretic in her blood. Now could just be a coincidence.

How do you know her skin was fine before? Are you her friend, her hairdresser, her doctor? You don't think she could be wearing makeup to smooth out her skin? How much doping do you suppose is in a therapeutic dose? Don't you think USADA might also check for EPO or such if they find a diuretic in a sample. She simply wasn't paying attention. Let it go.

real old guy wrote:

How do you know her skin was fine before? Are you her friend, her hairdresser, her doctor? You don't think she could be wearing makeup to smooth out her skin? How much doping do you suppose is in a therapeutic dose? Don't you think USADA might also check for EPO or such if they find a diuretic in a sample. She simply wasn't paying attention. Let it go.

Accountability is severely lacking in our sport. And while letting it go may be the eventual outcome, impulsively accepting that she simply made "an honest mistake" is irresponsible. Those who dope are becoming increasingly more sophisticated due to a number of reasons. One that is most often ignored lies in how we too quickly look the other way, assume it was not intentional, and debate while they continue to develop their system of fraud. While we debate, rationalize, and lower the investigative heat, they find yet another way to avoid accountability and continue to expand their methods of doping.

As others have noted, Vessey is a professional athlete. It her responsibility, as a part of her professional job, to assure that she doesn't make these "mistakes". Intentional or not, there should be a mandatory ban. There has been "smoke" surrounding Vessey for a couple of seasons, at least, and now this current evidence points to suspicious behavior. If her late race super-kicks, while others are slowing and tieing up, have always been replied to her tactic and strategy of racing. And in most cases it has been fairly effective. However, you have to wonder how she has the physical ability to run FASTER at a point of a 800m race where others are slowing. I've never bought it and am now convinced that there is significant suspiciousness associated with Vessey.

Let me be clear: accountability, professionalism, and responsibility are interrelated. There is a doping industrial system where professionals are making big bucks to assist professional athletes with fraud. Never underestimate the power of greed, money, and it's reoccurring link with the mega-system of medicine and abuse thereof. Whether she is doping or not, our governing bodies have the duty to investigate further to assure that another case of fraud is not left to settle down as another "honest mistake."

Skeptic of it All wrote:

Her skin was fine before. Then she moved and dropped her coach for a new one. Now has acne (a side effect of testosterone) and is found to have a diaretic in her blood. Now could just be a coincidence.

Here skin was not fine before. She's been known to wear pretty thick foundation to cover her skin issues.

She sweet, but a sometimes bubble head, and her not checking, or checking incorrectly on her prescription (missing it) seems totally in character with her.

I agree 100% Nappy Roots.

It seems like there isn't fair reporting on this site with Maggie. I am sure that if Alan Webb tested positive for the same substance, the front page would be overrun with a headline such as "ALAN WEBB IS A DRUG CHEAT!"

However, in this case it was just an honest mistake.

Also, on the other thread people are saying that it's no big deal because she was only caught with a small amount of it in her system. How do we know she didn't get lucky with the timing of the test and much of it had cleared from her system prior to the drug test?

Let's face it, there is a reason this substance was on the banned list and where there's smoke there's fire.

real old guy wrote:

How do you know her skin was fine before? Are you her friend, her hairdresser, her doctor? You don't think she could be wearing makeup to smooth out her skin? How much doping do you suppose is in a therapeutic dose? Don't you think USADA might also check for EPO or such if they find a diuretic in a sample. She simply wasn't paying attention. Let it go.

This test was before she moved, si?

I remember seeing her with some skin issues 3-4 years ago.

Anyway it seems like USADA/WADA know well enough about this issue with some women's products so it is a warning issue.

And one can assume if they get that on the A test they are real thorough on the "B" test.

I am fairly confident Maggie is clean. I could call some people I know who know her and find out...but this isn't worth the bother. (I know both of her last two coaches).

I'll admit to this bias, we both lived in the same area and trained at the same track...in different years...so I tend to root for her as my home town girl and follow her pretty closely, and don't see anything in her last two coaches that would make me believe she was using anything.

I am not worried about this blip at all.

I am more concerned that maybe her new coach might over train her....but am hoping she is strengthened up to the next level.

Go Maggie!

The main case against Maggie is that she was an un-sponsored, not-really-done-anything-since college 27 year old who randomly won the Pre classic out of no where and then ran 1:57 in 2009.

I'm not saying she's fishy -- but if there's "a case"...^that's the case.

What is a "diaretic"?

Tell you what. Just shut your damned mouth until you learn to spell. You people are such worthless pricks.

Hey Nappy Roots, So you have always been suspicious of her running 'faster' at a point in an 800m race when others are slowing and are now convinced that... Well, she doesn't run 'faster'- she just isn't 'slowing' as much as others. She is running a more evenly paced race! She ran the same way in her 200m & 400m races in high school. NONE of her coaches have been able to get her to run differently.

Laalou gets caught with a similar diuretic in his system: "Damn dirty Moroccan drug cheat! I knew he was doping all along! Ban him for life!"

Maggie Vessey caught with diuretic in her sample: "Poor cute white blonde girl made a mistake. Let's forgive her and move on."

Way to play favorites. Y'all a bunch of chodes.

Koneko wrote:

Laalou gets caught with a similar diuretic in his system: "Damn dirty Moroccan drug cheat! I knew he was doping all along! Ban him for life!"

Maggie Vessey caught with diuretic in her sample: "Poor cute white American blonde girl made a mistake. Let's forgive her and move on."

Way to play favorites. Y'all a bunch of chodes.

Fixed that for you. Otherwise +1.

Hey Brojos ... it would be just grand if you boys could do some investigative journalism to discover if in fact MV had declared this prescription previously.

In addition to some of the other info posted above, Spironolactone is also metabolized very, very quickly. The half-life of Spironolactone is 85 minutes. It would be completely eliminated overnight.