ACC results

Haven't really paid attention to ACC XC in the past few years, but what happened to VT and NC State?

VT has become a lot better and NC State in fourth is a surprise from where they were back in the 2000s.

What's the deal with those two programs.

Va Tech seems to be getting more of the top Virginia high school runners than in years past, although UVA also has some great talent.

Virginia kids dominated the rosters of the top 2 finishing schools and only NCSU's top runner was from VA. NCSU is swinging for the recruiting fences looking for high mileage studs while VT is developing walk-ons and low $ guys

If you take a look at VT's runners, they were studs in high school. Colley and Mulherin have been going back and forth for years.

I know that based on most all LetsRun posts that I am an idiot who doesn't know anything since I am a high school coach, but.........

I was the coach of the #3 runner for VA Tech today when he was in high school. I definitely thought he was a stud for me. I don't know what the definition is nationally. He went about 9:09 for 3200 and 4:22 for the 1600. He ran a great leg(for him) on our 4x800 when we won states. He went 15:22 for 5K in high school and the bigger mileage at Tech really seems to agree with him.

Then you know how many mens scholarships they have. They have done a wonderful job of developing kids without being able to give out a lot of money. Re-read my post

A 9:10 high-school two-miler is not a stud on the D1 scene. It is rare (unheard-of?) for a team of 9:10 HS-guys to be good enough to win ACCs. I don't know the history of the current Va Tech guys but major props for them pulling out this win. The more so as FSU, UVA, and NC State all had great races.

"A 9:10 high-school two-miler is not a stud on the D1 scene"Did you actually write this? Please don't EVER coach DI.

coast xc wrote:

A 9:10 high-school two-miler is not a stud on the D1 scene. It is rare (unheard-of?) for a team of 9:10 HS-guys to be good enough to win ACCs. I don't know the history of the current Va Tech guys but major props for them pulling out this win. The more so as FSU, UVA, and NC State all had great races.

As I predicted on LR very early on, VT won in a fairly dominant way. UVA wasn't far behind, but VT was really never threatened today. Now, we'll see how far they can take it.

Middle Distance Coach wrote:

As I predicted on LR very early on, VT won in a fairly dominant way. UVA wasn't far behind, but VT was really never threatened today. Now, we'll see how far they can take it.

Would 'dominant' mean winning by over 10?

1 Virginia Tech 55

2 Virginia 61

3 Florida State 62

4 NC State 74

Coach Pete Watson has taken a practically dead UVA program and quickly turned it around. Vig took 4 years and ran that thing into the ground and Watson turns it around in less than a year. Dunn hands Vig a young group of stud distance runners in 2008 and in 4 years vig drops one place each year. Great job Coach Watson.

Middle Distance Coach wrote:

As I predicted on LR very early on, VT won in a fairly dominant way. UVA wasn't far behind, but VT was really never threatened today. Now, we'll see how far they can take it.

UVA also had their best runner finishing in 30th because of injury and another one of their top guys finishing in 29th. If those two come around at regionals, VT won't be able to handle them.

Hahahahahahahaha! That is hilarious! Watson's mom must have just posted! UVA is stacked with talent. Vig left that team with a TON of talent and Watson once again couldn't win. And now that Vig isnt recruiting anymore the talent will drop year after year and UVA will head toward mediocrity again. Just watch.

Here's what's good for Watson: UVAs athletic department doesn't care at all about track. Watson's job is safe forever.

Bruinboy wrote:

"A 9:10 high-school two-miler is not a stud on the D1 scene"

Did you actually write this? Please don't EVER coach DI.

You obviously don't coach D1. A kid running 9:10 as a senior probably ran 9:20 or slower as a junior. If so, he's probably not getting a scholarship offer from a top-30 team (unless he's done something else much better).

I was curious, so I looked up prep times for the top 6 teams. I'll put the number of sub-9:10 or equivalent high-school guys in parentheses.

Va Tech:

Mulherin -- couldn't find it (think he had injury problems in h.s.)

Burleigh -- couldn't find it, 8:08 3k as a freshman

Curtin -- couldn't find it, 8:09 3k as a freshman

Hammond -- Footlocker finalist but only 9:19 (?)

Degfae -- Footlocker finalist but only 9:13 indoors (?)

Welch -- couldn't find it

Cusack -- 4:21, 9:27 as a sophomore

Hagen -- couldn't find it

Barlow -- 9:07

UVA:

Gates -- couldn't find it

King -- 4:12, 9:11

Porter -- 4:10, 8:59, footlocker baller

Rog -- 9:08y

Paisley -- 4:12y

Keveren -- 8:55y

Amirault -- 4:13y, 9:11y as a junior

Gilland -- 4:10/9:01

St. Marie -- couldn't find it, did triathlons

Schrom -- 4:14

FSU:

O Neill -- 7:57 300m

Forrester -- 3:40 1500m

Zivec -- 3:46 1500m, 8:10 3k, 14:10 5k

Rickman -- 8:57y

Proctor -- couldn't find it, 4:18?

Lagno -- couldn't find it, 4:24?

Bridges -- 4:26/9:26

Gracia -- couldn't find it

Seddon -- 3:46 1500m, 8:08 3k

Quinn -- 9:16

Duke:

Moverman -- 4:16, footlocker

Atkinson -- 9:14, footlocker

Kostelnik -- 9:10 junior

Britto -- couldn't find it,15:50 5k?

Thompson -- 4:20, 9:33? steepler

Robinson -- 4:14y, 9:07

Talavan-Becker -- couldn't find it

Farleigh -- 9:05

Elsakr -- couldn't find it, 16:24 5k?

Shoepfer -- 4:15

UNC:

Schellberg -- 4:08y

Walling -- 9:20, 4:14 as a junior

Raneri -- 9:00

Presson -- 4:08y, 9:00

Derrick -- 4:12, 9:08

Driggs -- 4:10y, 9:06/4:13 double

Magnuson -- 4:12, 8:58

Koerwitz -- 4:18, 9:21

Mykityshyn -- 4:17, 9:18

Oops, forgot the parentheses. Oh well.

Sp!kes wrote:

Hahahahahahahaha! That is hilarious! Watson's mom must have just posted! UVA is stacked with talent. Vig left that team with a TON of talent and Watson once again couldn't win. And now that Vig isnt recruiting anymore the talent will drop year after year and UVA will head toward mediocrity again. Just watch.

Here's what's good for Watson: UVAs athletic department doesn't care at all about track. Watson's job is safe forever.

Watson's group did a good job at ACC's but they made the NCAA Championships every year in Cross Country from 2005 to 2010. It's not like he's building this thing from scratch. He has much more to work with than he had coming into UNC.

I'm sure FSU and Virginia are kicking themselves at how close they were to an ACC title. Amirault for UVA and some of the foreign contingent for FSU had off days.

Props to Ben Thomas and Va. Tech for making it happen this year at the ACC meet. The state of Virginia looks to be very competitive now with UVA, Va. Tech, and W&M all fielding competitive teams (although W&M needs to right the ship before too long....Why they let Gibby leave is beyond comprehension, especially with Stimson stepping down the very next year)

He has the same UVA team that sucked last year under vig. Watson is glad that the administration cares about xc and not track? Haha, they care that he doesn't sleep with his athletes and he he doesn't get worse every year. Vig was a huge failure at UVA. Andrews was great but would have been anywhere. Xc got worse every year despite being handed huge talent by Dunn.

what did watson do to those unc kids before he left? Looking at that list it looks like there is some serious talent there. so why is it that a 9:20, 4:14 kid is their #2....with this talent they should be up there competing and not a distant sixth. Did watson just not recruit the right guys or are these guys just not trying??

Maybe the new UNC coach should try to get some boys from VA. Carolina spent big on out of state guys and VT didn't